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156718 | "N.A. Mitkowski" <nathaniel.mitkowski@c...> | 2006‑02‑07 | WETW and a Bio |
Wiktor posted the Winsted Edge Tool Works history to his site: http://www.wkfinetools.com He did a great job. It's a web based version with a table of contents. A PDF version is also posted on the site. He also wanted a bio so I put one together and he suggested I post it to the list, so here it is. In real life, I am an assistant professor at the University of Rhode Island. My specialty is plant pathology, the study of plant diseases. In particular, my research focuses on those diseases that attack grasses. I have an interest in fungal, bacterial and nematode pathogens and spent my graduate years working on vegetables. At URI I teach a number of courses during the academic year and run the URI Turf Disease Diagnostic Laboratory during the summer. In that capacity, I diagnose and develop management strategies for grass diseases on golf courses. My two main hobbies are genealogical research and using/collecting old hand tools. When I was a graduate student at Cornell University, I discovered that the school has a vast collection of books relating to the history of New England. Being a New Englander, I could not have found a better place to undertake a genealogical research project. It was only a few years ago, however, that I started collecting hand tools, as a result of a "plane epiphany". Although the son of a contractor and maybe because of it, my woodworking projects had always been utilitarian and crude. They were more suited to holding up a house than living in one. Having taken a single shop class in my youth, most hand tools were virtual foreigners to me. But one day, out of the blue, it occurred to me that a hand plane would be useful. So I bought a brand new Stanley 12-220 to help do some finish work in my son's bedroom. I had never used a hand plane before but after 2 passes of the plane, I could see the creative value and the possibilities of such an implement. By having a tool, I feel the compulsive urge to use it. Thus my discovery of old tools has allowed me, even forced me, to develop the skills for which these tools were intended. And as a result, I can achieve a level of creative elegance in wood that has eluded me for most of my lifetime. Discovering the history of old tools is much like undertaking a genealogical research project. But instead of your genes tying you to those that came before you, you have a tool. An object. An artifact. And it is fascinating to contemplate those that used that tool before you and where it may have travelled and what it may have created. The Winsted Edge Tool Works has interested me because very little has been published about the company and their mysterious use of T.H. Witherby's name. And in the end, it all comes down to personal history. I have lived most of my life in Connecticut and my summers as a boy scout were spent at Camp Sequassen, Winsted, CT. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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156742 | mimulus@p... | 2006‑02‑08 | re: WETW and a Bio |
N.A. Mitkowski introduces himself well after delivering his seminal paper on the Winstead Edge Tool Works: > In real life, I am an assistant professor at the University of Rhode > Island. My specialty is plant pathology, the study of plant > diseases. In particular, my research focuses on those diseases that > attack grasses. Good to have you here, N.A. Pull up a clean beaker and a stool. I worked on mycorrhizas in sedges, m'self. Maybe we can get some work done on the spalting of maple, fruit- or tropical woods, as long as they aren't part of an old moulding plane. cur - fungi, the original world wide web.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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156849 | Tom Price <tomprice03@g...> | 2006‑02‑11 | Re: WETW and a Bio |
N.A. Mitkowski wrote: > Wiktor posted the Winsted Edge Tool Works history to his site: > > http://www.wkfinetools.com > > Great job on the history of this company and a valuable addition to tool lore. However, you wrote: "...Witherby/Winsted Edge Tool Works tools are highly sought after and often sell for higher prices than those of other comparable manufacturers. Certainly “Witherby” tools are high quality implements. But this quality is commonly matched and even excelled by manufacturers such as James Swan, Buck Brother, Jennings, Ohio Tool and many others. If scarcity is any indication of value, Witherby/Winsted Edge Tool Works chisels should be relatively inexpensive, they are certainly abundant in the marketplace. Despite this, they still generate a premium..." Which is frankly, somewhat dismissive of the quality of Witherby edge tools. In my somewhat limited experience, Witherby branded chisels and drawknives are pretty fine tools. I'm really in awe of the edge holding ability of one of my Witherby drawknives. I'm not surprised people pay something of a premium, but I don't think they bring really any more than Swan tools do, another fine manufacturer. I'm not sure Witherby is actually 'excelled' by other manufacturers in quality. If they are, I'd like to know which makers you are talking about. I am puzzled why Pexto edge tools seem to be underated - they are pretty good, in my opinion. **************************** Tom Price (tomprice03@g...) Brakes For Rust The Galoot's Progress Old Tools site is at: http://homepage.mac.com/galoot_9/galtprog.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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156869 | "N.A. Mitkowski" <nathaniel.mitkowski@c...> | 2006‑02‑11 | Re: WETW and a Bio |
Tim, Firstly, I assume we are talking strictly about Winsted Edge Tool Works products. I don't have anything actually made by T.H. Witherby so I simply cannot speak about those tools. Secondly, I do not feel comfortable specifically stating that any one maker is better than any other. The primary reason for this is that such a statement is very hard to prove. Put two tools side by side and run them through their paces: quantitatively measure wear, hardness, edge holding ability, etc. Then I can tell you which is better. Without a quantitative comparison, all I have is a "feeling" and that could mean anything. Don't get me wrong, I love my Winsted Edge Tool Works chisels. I don't intend to be dismissive or pejorative. But since you mention Swan, I do not think that WETW tools are reliably or substantially better than Swan chisels. Of the dozen WETW tools I own, a couple might be and a couple are definitely not. I have at least two WETW chisels that have let me down. One is a lot softer than I would expect, perhaps someone did something untoward to it, and the other one would not know "flat" if it came up and bit it on the hindquarters. WETW was in business for about 72 years. They had at least 5 different foreman, likely more. In that time they made some really great chisels and I am sure there are some dogs out there. I KNOW there are some dogs out there. There were probably bad days at the forge and in the hardening room. In general, they are very fine tools. But I cannot say that they are substantially better than a Swan or half-a-dozen other makers. I think every tool has to be judged on it's own merits, taking some generalizations into account. And as far as price, I once bought a Swan chisel for $3.99 on an unnamed auction site. I don't think you could do that with anything that says Witherby on it. The real problem is that there are so few Swan chisels on that auction site that it is difficult to be conclusive. When I say, "But this quality is commonly matched and even excelled by manufacturers..." I do think there is at least one manufacturer that makes a reliably better chisel than WETW. But I won't name names. The first reason is that it is just my "feeling". The second reason is that those kinds of things sometimes stick, become popular knowledge and unfortunately/artificially inflate prices. Keep in mind, this is just one man's opinion. There is plenty of room for others. I also agree with J. Thompson, PEXTO are good tools but it is a cheap name. It sounds like 1950's gimmick and it looks just plain ugly. It can't compete with Witherby and Swan, nice old British names. Nathaniel ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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156870 | "genfurn" <genfurn@e...> | 2006‑02‑11 | Re: WETW and a Bio |
GG's I have to agree with Nathaniel at least in principal. I have chisels by every maker that has been mentioned and perhaps a few more. In that lot of chisels, there have been good and bad from almost all makers. I am not a fan of TH Witherby, even though some of the shapes I have are very useful. I have a Swan, a Berg, Stanley 750's & 720's, Everlasts, Millers Falls with and without the steel striking head, Greenlee, DR Barton, Worth, and probably more that I haven't thought of. I guess it comes down to what works for you. There will be no Chinese chisels in my arsenal if I can help it, but I'll try anything else and keep what works the best for me. My belief is that all of the makers made good chisels, just some better than others and as the saying goes in football, "Any team can beat any other team on any given day." FWIW. Bruce Z. Kearney, MO Nathaniel wrote in part: > Secondly, I do not feel comfortable specifically stating that any one > maker is better than any other. The primary reason for this is that > such a statement is very hard to prove. > I think every tool has to be judged on it's own merits, taking some > generalizations into account. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.15.6/257 - Release Date: 2/10/2006 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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