Like our beloved listmom Esther, I'm a member of the Society for
Creative Anachronism, where we try to recreate the Middle Ages and
Renaissance.

Here is one of my humble efforts: 
https://aeans.aethelmearc.org/vqpt/pursers-chest/

Ken

-- 
If you ever think international affairs make sense, remember this:  
Because a Serb shot an Austrian in Bosnia, Germany invaded Belgium.

> On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:04 PM, Ken Wright via OldTools  wrote:
> 
> Like our beloved listmom Esther, I'm a member of the Society for
> Creative Anachronism, where we try to recreate the Middle Ages and
> Renaissance.
> 
> Here is one of my humble efforts: 
> https://aeans.aethelmearc.org/vqpt/pursers-
chest/">https://aeans.aethelmearc.org/vqpt/pursers-chest/ <https://aeans.aethelmearc.org/vqpt/pursers-
chest/">https://aeans.aethelmearc.org/vqpt/pursers-chest/>
> 
> Ken


Ken

veru nice.  What is the paint and what would it have been at the time (13-14th
c?)

Looks like a satisfying project. Love the ‘till-lid-as-prop’.

Michael

> >
> > Here is one of my humble efforts:
> > https://aeans.aethelmearc.org/vqpt/pursers-chest
>
-- 
Michael

Quoting Ed Minch :

>
>
>> On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:04 PM, Ken Wright via OldTools 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Like our beloved listmom Esther, I'm a member of the Society for
>> Creative Anachronism, where we try to recreate the Middle Ages and
>> Renaissance.
>>
>> Here is one of my humble efforts:
>> https://aeans.aethelmearc.org/vqpt/pursers-chest/ 
>> <https://aeans.aethelmearc.org/vqpt/pursers-chest/>
>>
>> Ken
>
>
> Ken
>
> veru nice.  What is the paint and what would it have been at the time 
> (13-14th c?)
The finish should be covered in the documentation (the PDF file) which 
I haven't read yet, too painful on smartphone.  By the mid-1500's they 
knew about boiled linseed oil (cennini) so could have been blo.  Given 
it was functional vs pretty it might not have been painted and 400+ 
years on the on the ocean floor doesn't help.

I am pleased to notice he maintained galoot time traditions, the 
project is nicely matured:-)

For those curious, Theophilus circa 1250 off the top of my head, knew 
about oil paint but not blo and commented on the extreme drying time.


Esther, ska known as otelia, who as fleur (fancy arts award) is 
supposed to notice these kinds of projects.

Quoting Ed Minch :

>
>
>> On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:04 PM, Ken Wright via OldTools 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Like our beloved listmom Esther, I'm a member of the Society for
>> Creative Anachronism, where we try to recreate the Middle Ages and
>> Renaissance.
>>
>> Here is one of my humble efforts:
>> https://aeans.aethelmearc.org/vqpt/pursers-chest/ 
>> <https://aeans.aethelmearc.org/vqpt/pursers-chest/>
>>
>> Ken
>
>
> Ken
>
> veru nice.  What is the paint and what would it have been at the time 
> (13-14th c?)
The finish should be covered in the documentation (the PDF file) which 
I haven't read yet, too painful on smartphone.  By the mid-1500's they 
knew about boiled linseed oil (cennini) so could have been blo.  Given 
it was functional vs pretty it might not have been painted and 400+ 
years on the on the ocean floor doesn't help.

I am pleased to notice he maintained galoot time traditions, the 
project is nicely matured:-)

For those curious, Theophilus circa 1250 off the top of my head, knew 
about oil paint but not blo and commented on the extreme drying time.


Esther, ska known as otelia, who as fleur (fancy arts award) is 
supposed to notice these kinds of projects.

On 6/19/20 12:56 PM, galoot@l... wrote:
> Quoting Ed Minch :
>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:04 PM, Ken Wright via OldTools
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Like our beloved listmom Esther, I'm a member of the Society for
>>> Creative Anachronism, where we try to recreate the Middle Ages and
>>> Renaissance.
>>>
>>> Here is one of my humble efforts:
>>> https://aeans.aethelmearc.org/vqpt/pursers-chest/
>>> <https://aeans.aethelmearc.org/vqpt/pursers-chest/>
>>>
>>> Ken
>>
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> veru nice.  What is the paint and what would it have been at the time
>> (13-14th c?)
The original was lost with the Mary Rose in battle in 1545, so it's more
16th Century.  I used an oil-based enamel from Sherwin-Williams; I know
enamel isn't right, but I used it because I expect the chest to get
non-gentle service.  The color came from a printable paper cutout on the
Mary Rose Trust's website, and when I compared the photos it appears I
got awfully close!
> The finish should be covered in the documentation (the PDF file) which
> I haven't read yet, too painful on smartphone.  By the mid-1500's they
> knew about boiled linseed oil (cennini) so could have been blo.  Given
> it was functional vs pretty it might not have been painted and 400+
> years on the on the ocean floor doesn't help.
I agree, but my thought was the Purser would have wanted the protection
a painted finish would give, given the salt air conditions the chest
would experience.  Of course, that's just a WAG.
> I am pleased to notice he maintained galoot time traditions, the
> project is nicely matured:-)

I literally planned this project for years, since long before we moved
here from Michigan.  That period of planning made the actual execution
go smoothly.  So yeah, nicely matured.  That's a good way to put it!

I also made a few scaled-down chests using the same joinery techniques,
but sized to make a comfortable seat and easily fit into a car.  More
convenient for the modern medieval.

Ken

-- 

If you ever think international affairs make sense, remember this:  
Because a Serb shot an Austrian in Bosnia, Germany invaded Belgium.

On 6/19/20 12:39 PM, Michael Suwczinsky wrote:
> Looks like a satisfying project. Love the ‘till-lid-as-prop’.
>
> Michael

It was a very satisfying project, given how long I've been wanting to
build it.  I've probably got almost a decade's worth of planning in it. 
Things finally came together when I bought a old woman's tooth
(old-fashioned router plane, Jeff) from our own Josh Clark, who didn't
even mention the iron was a Sorby!  That made it easy to smooth out the
housings for the till.

I documented the construction fairly well, in my own not-so-humble
opinion.  Take a look and tell me if there's anything I missed!

Ken

-- 
If you ever think international affairs make sense, remember this:  
Because a Serb shot an Austrian in Bosnia, Germany invaded Belgium.

On June 18, 2020, at 7:06 PM, Ken Wright via OldTools  wrote:

>Like our beloved listmom Esther, I'm a member of the Society for
>Creative Anachronism, where we try to recreate the Middle Ages and
>Renaissance.
>Here is one of my humble efforts: 
>https://aeans.aethelmearc.org/vqpt/pursers-chest/
>Ken
>
Nicely done!  Your nail clenching looks a lot nicer than my attempts. :)

Tim

Doing battle with some particularly industrious chipmonks  who are ravaging my
lettuce plants. The little Marauders are getting more salad than me!

On 6/19/20 2:15 PM, Tim Pendleton wrote:
>
> On June 18, 2020, at 7:06 PM, Ken Wright via OldTools
>  wrote:
>
> >Like our beloved listmom Esther, I'm a member of the Society for
> >Creative Anachronism, where we try to recreate the Middle Ages and
> >Renaissance.
> >Here is one of my humble efforts: 
> >https://aeans.aethelmearc.org/vqpt/pursers-chest/
> >Ken
> >
> Nicely done!  Your nail clenching looks a lot nicer than my attempts. :)
>
> Tim
>
Thank you for the kind words.  As I mentioned elsewhere, I also build
smaller chests using the same joinery, but on those I use paired cotter
pins as snipe's-bill hinges.  I got a fair amount of practice clenching
them!

Ken

-- 
If you ever think international affairs make sense, remember this:  
Because a Serb shot an Austrian in Bosnia, Germany invaded Belgium.

On 6/18/2020 7:04 PM, Ken Wright via OldTools wrote:
> Like our beloved listmom Esther, I'm a member of the Society for  > Creative
Anachronism, where we try to recreate the Middle Ages and >
Renaissance. > > Here is one of my humble efforts: > 
https://aeans.aethelmearc.org/vqpt/pursers-chest/ > > Ken >
Nice job, Laird Coinneach

It looks good.  I saw this one when you had it strapped to the back
of a beast of burden at the Festival of the Passing of The Ice Dragon
last year.  It's finished up quite nicely.

And I've still got those stool legs I turned for you, sitting in a
place of honour in my front hall.  I guess that's the next
project eh?

--
Darrell LaRue aka Honourable Lord Iohn Spooner
Oakville ON
Wood Hoarder, Blade Sharpener, and Occasional Tool User

>>
>>> On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:04 PM, Ken Wright via OldTools 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Like our beloved listmom Esther, I'm a member of the Society for
>>> Creative Anachronism, where we try to recreate the Middle Ages and
>>> Renaissance.
>>>
>>> Here is one of my humble efforts:
>>> https://aeans.aethelmearc.org/vqpt/pursers-chest/ 
>>> <https://aeans.aethelmearc.org/vqpt/pursers-chest/>

(Putting on my Fleur d'AEthelmearc hat)
I would like to bring to everyone's attention the pdf that accompanies 
the pictures on this website.  It is an excellent example of 
"documentation", what is expected when you not only make an interesting 
burfl, but enter it into any sorts of arts and sciences exhibition or 
contest.  Not only "what is it" in detail, but how does it differ from 
the original, why, and how he did it, making no assumptions that you 
know anything on the subject.  Tells you all the tools too.

The entire project is a lovely example of what crafts in the SCA are 
about, making things like back then, modified as required for materials 
safety and tools available today.

Things I learned:
Lowes actually has some sort of 1" stock
The original had a till (have to have another look at Before the Mast)
Dagonell is a smith

Vivat Lord Coinneach!

I have long been amused that the construction of 18th century chests 
matches pre-1600 exemplars, and would point out that the vast majority 
of Peter Follansbee's boxes and chests also have the tills which 
support the lind.  Major difference is that his have all 90 degree 
corners.

Esther (who has been doing more (quilting/sewing than woodworking 
during the pandemic)

On 6/21/20 1:36 PM, galoot@l... wrote:
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:04 PM, Ken Wright via OldTools
>  wrote:
>>>> Like our beloved listmom Esther, I'm a member of the Society for
>>>> Creative Anachronism, where we try to recreate the Middle Ages and
>>>> Renaissance.
>>>>
>>>> Here is one of my humble efforts:
>>>> https://aeans.aethelmearc.org/vqpt/pursers-chest/
>>>> <https://aeans.aethelmearc.org/vqpt/pursers-chest/>
>
> (Putting on my Fleur d'AEthelmearc hat)
> I would like to bring to everyone's attention the pdf that accompanies
> the pictures on this website.  It is an excellent example of
> "documentation", what is expected when you not only make an
> interesting burfl, but enter it into any sorts of arts and sciences
> exhibition or contest.  Not only "what is it" in detail, but how does
> it differ from the original, why, and how he did it, making no
> assumptions that you know anything on the subject.  Tells you all the
> tools too.
>
> The entire project is a lovely example of what crafts in the SCA are
> about, making things like back then, modified as required for
> materials safety and tools available today.
>
> Things I learned:
> Lowes actually has some sort of 1" stock
> The original had a till (have to have another look at Before the Mast)
> Dagonell is a smith
>
> Vivat Lord Coinneach!
BLUSH!
> I have long been amused that the construction of 18th century chests
> matches pre-1600 exemplars, and would point out that the vast majority
> of Peter Follansbee's boxes and chests also have the tills which
> support the lind.  Major difference is that his have all 90 degree
> corners.
Most of the tills in chests on the Mary Rose appear to have 90 degree
corners.  I spent a fair amount of time trying to figure out how to cut
angled housings!
> Esther (who has been doing more (quilting/sewing than woodworking
> during the pandemic)
Ken

-- 
If you ever think international affairs make sense, remember this:  
Because a Serb shot an Austrian in Bosnia, Germany invaded Belgium.

> On Jun 21, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Ken Wright via OldTools  wrote:
> 
> Most of the tills in chests on the Mary Rose appear to have 90 degree
> corners.  I spent a fair amount of time trying to figure out how to cut
> angled housings!


Ken

The Vasa is 1628, within spitting distance of the Mary Rose.  When that ship
came up, an officer’s hat in a box looked just like it was in a hat store.
There was clothing, games, tools, everythiin that would be an a big warshio
leaving the dock ready for battle.  The main t’gallnt sale (third one up, main
mast) was folded in the sail locker, tied with cord, and when they unrolled it,
it was perfect - it is now hagnging on the wall of the museum and you can see
the handwork - it is almost identical in dimension to the the Kalmar Nyckel’s
main tops’l (second one up, main mast, smaller boat), so we could copy it.

Here is a video (in Swedish) showing a tour of the warehouse where they store
thousands of recovered items - maube a chest in there:

https://www.facebook.com/Vasamuseet/videos/290736838763442/UzpfSTgxOTg4
MzgzNDpWSzoyNzYzODEzMjgwNTE0MTEx/">https://www.facebook.com/Vasamuseet/videos/29
0736838763442/UzpfSTgxOTg4MzgzNDpWSzoyNzYzODEzMjgwNTE0MTEx/

And I built a non-90° small box to store some rigging demo pieces in - a piece
of Purpleheart and Douglas Fir to show the contrast beteen the two as they were
used on the boat, a piece of standing rigging that had been wormed, parceled,
and served, a block, various sizes of spikes, etc.  I copied one on the Vasa
only mine was 18” wide instad of about 30”.  Here is the top that finally got
replaced after about 12-13 years because it was not sufficiently quarter sawn to
stop a lot of curling:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/50030406443/in/dateposted-
public/">https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/50030406443/in/dateposted-
public/ <https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/50030406443/in
/dateposted-public/">https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/50030406443/in
/dateposted-public/>

I like your chest a lot

Ed Minch

> On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:04 PM, Ken Wright via OldTools
>>  wrote:
>>>>> Like our beloved listmom Esther, I'm a member of the Society for
>>>>> Creative Anachronism, where we try to recreate the Middle Ages and
>>>>> Renaissance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is one of my humble efforts:
>>>>> https://aeans.aethelmearc.org/vqpt/pursers-chest/
>>>>> <https://aeans.aethelmearc.org/vqpt/pursers-chest/>

If anyone's interested, the Virtual Queen's Prize Tourney is now closed
to new entries, but is still open for comments.  Winners will be
announced by Her Majesty on July 11th.  Wish me luck!

Ken