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266297 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2018‑08‑04 | Wood |
MLW is a top-notch web surfer and came up with this: https://publicdomainreview.org/collections/the-american-woods/ I would love to see one of these in person Ed Minch |
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266298 | "Michael Dawson (Misterschmoo)" <misterschmoo@g...> | 2018‑08‑04 | Re: Wood |
At the Polytech where I trained in carpentry and furniture and joinery an old gentleman died and donated his collection of these to the Polytech it takes up the entire hallway that leads through the department, it’s great, he has samples of the entire world listed by country. A fantastic resource. Michael NZ From: Ed Minch Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2018 1:15 AM To: Galoots Subject: [OldTools] Wood MLW is a top-notch web surfer and came up with this: https://publicdomainreview.org/collections/the-american-woods/ I would love to see one of these in person Ed Minch ------------------------------------------------------------------------ OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage, value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools. To change your subscription options: https://oldtools.swingleydev.com/mailman/listinfo/oldtools To read the FAQ: https://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html OldTools archive: https://swingleydev.com/ot/ OldTools@s... |
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266305 | Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> | 2018‑08‑07 | Re: Wood |
On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 6:15 AM Ed Minch |
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266315 | Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> | 2018‑08‑08 | Re: Wood |
So, took a quick look at both the online, and my hard copy books. Biggest thoughts after spending 10 minutes with them: 1 - the online version is hard to read, gold text on black background didn't scan well. 2 - the online version is 14 volumes, mine is one, so it was easiest to open a random online copy, flip in til I hit the color plates, then look for the hardcopy version to compare 3 - the online versions color plates look better, the backlighting effect seems to have been taken into consideration when scanning. Since the online version was scanned from a real copy, and mine was reproduced from a (probably different) real copy, the wood pix don't match. Looking at p43 in mine, Red maple, I have more grain swirl in the transverse section, and a water stain (so it seems) on the tangential section. For those who don't want to spend the $40 for the book, the online is a great tool, though probably a bit more cumbersome. If I got down to really splitting hairs on which was which between a wood sample, I might use the online version for a second example. Kirk in HMB, enjoyed a vacation day with my youngest today, and dinner with both girls tonight. On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 5:08 PM, Kirk Eppler |
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266316 | Matthew Groves <grovesthegrey@g...> | 2018‑08‑08 | Re: Wood |
I recall a similar website with super super high res pictures, radial, tangential and end grain for each species. Am I misremembering? Matthew Groves Springfield, MO |
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266323 | Ken Shepard <waruba@c...> | 2018‑08‑08 | Re: Wood |
The publicdomainreview.org site cited that Ed mentioned has a selection of pages from The American Woods. The North Carolina State Univ. site has the entire 14 volumes with images at three resolutions, the highest being 600dpi. Also, lots of other interesting stuff about wood and forestry. https://www.lib.ncsu.edu/specialcollections/forestry/hough/index.html Ken On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 10:07 PM Matthew Groves |
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266329 | Norm Wood <normw013@f...> | 2018‑08‑08 | Re: Wood |
Hi Matthew, On 07 Aug, Matthew Groves wrote: > I recall a similar website with super super high res pictures, radial, > tangential and end grain for each species. > > Am I misremembering? Maybe Hobbit House? http://hobbithouseinc.com/personal/woodpics/ Norm Madison, WI |
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266330 | d woodham <dbwoodham@g...> | 2018‑08‑08 | Re: Wood |
Possibly? https://woodidentification.net/ |
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266334 | "Adam R. Maxwell via OldTools" <oldtools@s...> | 2018‑08‑11 | Re: Planes or plane irons made by David Malloch & Sons ... when? |
Hi Charlie, > On Aug 10, 2018, at 20:19 , Charles Driggs via OldTools |
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266335 | Charles Driggs | 2018‑08‑11 | Re: Planes or plane irons made by David Malloch & Sons ... when? |
Thanks, Adam! and the answer eliminates the rest of questions. Charlie |
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266343 | Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> | 2018‑08‑13 | Re: Planes or plane irons made by David Malloch & Sons ... when? |
After reading Charlie's post I wondered if there was indeed a Perth in Scotland (land of many of my forebears). And (before I saw Adam's reply) I found this, at 50 South Street in Perth: https://www.google.com/maps/pl ace/50+South+St,+Perth+PH2+8PD,+UK/@56.3951396,-3.4286161, 3a,15y,157.61h,110.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soV_vR1xzW2alPDwG NA2f2w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x48863b1113bf5c73:0x6c0 ff5178238a71e!8m2!3d56.3950068!4d-3.4284782 You can still see the building to which they moved in this shot, with the lovely architectural ornamentation showing an axe, a saw, and other tools on the building's façade. It was *this* that got me going down the rabbit hole to find out more about David Malloch and his planemaking in Perth. Apparently there was a wealth of information on Wiktor's site under the Mathieson history...but no more. I gathered info from a number of found posts, but did a lot of digging in primary sources: the Scottish Post Office Directories. https://digital.nls.uk/directo ries/browse/archive/91049054 These mostly confirmed the information in other posts, but I did glean some new information. The basic outline is as according to this Worthpoint seller ( https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/early-1800s-scottish -infill-plane-513188107), that John McGlashan was a Perth planemaker in the first half of the 1800s whose business passed to David Malloch on John's death in 1849, and ran it until 1913 under various guises. In more detail, Malloch looks to have taken over McGlashan's business and his home (with McGlashan's wife, a milliner, moving next door, until she apparently passed away, or left Perth, in 1857) on South Methven Street in 1850. Malloch made planes from a location down the street from his house as "David Malloch" until about 1854, when he moved the business to the center of town, opposite the main church ("Kirkside"), at 25 St. John's Street ("Above Working Men's Coffee-Room"). Interestingly, all the advertisements listing 25 St. John's Street have a statement "(Successor to John M'Glashan)" that implies he still needed to trade on McGlashan's name. By 1854 he was making "Joiners' and Cabinetmakers' Tools of every description. Saws, Chisels, Braces, Bits, and Augers, of all sizes." He ran the same basic ad through the 1866 directory. He used the same manufactory until 1870, when he moved the business to 50 South Street, which is only about three blocks away from Kirkside. While there are no directories provided between 1866 and 1872 to say when the move was undertaken, according to a comment at the bottom of this post: https://automobilrevue.net/v/Q2l5bXNMNWFQVUU "A notice in the Perthshire Courier of Tuesday 26 April 1870, recorded that “David Malloch, Plane Manufacturer and Edge Tool Merchant …. has removed from Kirkside to more commodious premises at 50 South St. …” The author speculates "It is apparent that the Malloch business had steadily grown and with the move to South St, further expansion was possible. These were extensive premises for a firm that seems to have undertaken little or no other work than planemaking." Expand they did, and by 1881 the firm had 9 employees. I think the author of that comment was actually incorrect, in that they were making everything a joiner or cabinetmaker could need, and so goes against the idea of "little or no other work than planemaking." And now here's where things get a little awry. Goodman's lists the Perth Plane Works under David Malloch & Son from 1878-1913. The automobilrevue.net link shows David Malloch & Son (1878-1913) separately from The Perth Plane works, but the latter with no dates. Based on what I could glean from the Scottish Post Office Directories, David Malloch & Son indeed was *mentioned* in 1878, but in the years 1880-1891 was still David Malloch, planemaker. There is no trace of William in the Perth directories until the 1891 directory, when he's shown living at Croft Park with his mother; David appears to have passed away. William was born in 1849, according to Britain's 1881 census; perhaps when he was 29 his father encouraged him to join the planemaking enterprise, when David would have been 60. Perhaps to no avail. The firm continued to be listed as David Malloch through 1891; after that, through its purchase by Mathieson in 1913 it was listed as David Malloch & Son. The additional sobriquet "The Perth Plane Works" was only listed starting with the 1903 directory, though indeed could have been added any time after 1899's directory was published. I've created the following timeline from my research, and that of the others mentioned: MCGLASHAN, John PERTH 50 St. John St. <1837-ca.1845 66 South Methven St. ca.1845-1849 MALLOCH, David PERTH 57 South Methven St. 1850-ca.1854 25 St. John St. ca.1854-1870 50 South St. 1870-1890, excepting 1878 MALLOCH David & Son (William) PERTH 50 South St. 1878, 1891-ca.1899 50 South St. (The Perth Plane Works) ca.1899-1913 (11 East Campbell St., Glasgow 1914-1932 subsidiary of Alex. Mathieson, Glasgow) I do note that William is listed as retired in the 1911 Post Office Directory, so I wonder even about the 1913 date for Mathieson's acquisition (though that seems to be the date everyone knows). Compare this with Goodman's (W.L. Goodman's _British Planemakers from 1700_, Third Edition, c. 1993) quoted from the old thread by Don McConnell: MALLOCH, David & Son PERTH 50 South St. (The Perth Plane Works) 1878-1913 11 East Campbell St., Glasgow 1914-1932 (Subsidiary of Alex. Mathieson, Glasgow) Here's the full timeline I assembled (all sources not listed are from the Scottish Post Office Directories): 1895, John McGlashan born (from an expired WK Tools article; I could just read the preview). 1818, David Malloch born (1881 British Census) 1837, John McGlashan & Co., wright's tool makers; 50 St. John Street. No advertisement. 1845, John McGlashan, 66 South Methven Street (tool-maker); South Methven Street (plane-maker); house at 2 York Place. No advertisement. 1848, John McGlashan, 66 South Methven Street (tool-maker); South Methven Street (tool manufacturer); unknown house. No advertisement. 1849, John McGlashan dies. His wife lived as a milliner at 65 South Methven Street until 1857. William Malloch born (Worthpoint/Automobilrevue.net/1881 British Census) 1850, David Malloch, 57 South Methven Street; house at 66 South Methven Street. No advertisement. No entry for John McGlashan. 1852, David Malloch, 57 South Methven Street; house at 66 South Methven Street. No advertisement. Helen Malloch born (1881 British Census) 1854, David Malloch, 57 South Methven Street; house at 66 South Methven Street. Advertised at 25 St. John's Street as a "wright's tool manufacturer" (https://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/85747120) 1856, David Malloch, Kirkside; assume house at 66 South Methven Street. Advertised at 25 St. John Street as a "wright's tool manufacturer" ( https://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/85669664). Mary Malloch born (1881 British Census) 1858, David Malloch, planemaker, Kirkside; assume house at 66 South Methven Street. Advertised at 25 St. John Street as a "wright's tool manufaturer" ( https://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/86534577). Sarah Malloch born (1881 British Census) 1861, John Malloch born. Family of David Malloch now numbers 6 (1881 British Census) 1862, David Malloch, planemaker, Kirkside; house at 41 South Street. Advertised at 25 St. John Street as a"wright's tool manufacturer" ( https://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/85673485) 1863, James Malloch born (1881 British Census) 1865, David Malloch, planemaker, Kirkside; house at 71 Prince's Street. No advertisement. George Malloch born (1881 British Census) 1866, David Malloch, planemaker, Kirkside; house at 28 St. John Street. Advertised at 25 St. John Street as a "wright's tool manufacturer" ( https://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/85680359) 1870, David Malloch, Plane Manufacturer and Edge Tool Merchant, 50 South Street; assume house at 28 St. John Street (Perthshire Courier) 1872, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at 28 St. John Street. No advertisement. 1874, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at 28 St. John Street. No advertisement. 1878, David Malloch & Son, planemakers, 50 South Street; house at 28 St. John Street. No advertisement. 1880, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park, Craigie. No advertisement. 1881, David Malloch, planemaker employing 9 men; house at Croft Bank, in the West Church Parish (1881 British Census) 1882, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park, Craigie. No advertisement. Employed 9 men. 1884, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park, Craigie. No advertisement. 1885, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park, Craigie. No advertisement. 1887, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park, Craigie. No advertisement. 1889, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park, Craigie. No advertisement. 1891, David Malloch & Son, plane manufacturers, 50 South Street. No advertisement. William Malloch at Croft Park, Craigie (along with Mrs. David Malloch, no David) 1893, David Malloch & Son, plane manufacturers, 50 South Street. No advertisement. William Malloch at Croft Park, Craigie (along with Mrs. David Malloch) 1895, David Malloch & Son, plane manufacturers, 50 South Street. No advertisement. William Malloch, plane maker (of David Malloch & Son), 48 1/2 South Street. 1897, David Malloch & Son, plane manufacturers, 50 South Street. No advertisement. William Malloch, plane maker (of David Malloch & Son), 48 1/2 South Street. 1899, David Malloch & Son, plane manufacturers, 50 South Street. No advertisement. William Malloch, plane maker (of David Malloch & Son), 48 1/2 South Street. 1903, David Malloch & Son, Perth Plane Works, 50 South Street. No advertisement. Wm. Malloch, plane maker (of D. Malloch & Son), Woodcote, Pitcullen Crescent. 1905, David Malloch & Son, Perth Plane Works, 50 South Street. No advertisement. Wm. Malloch, plane maker (of D. Malloch & Son), Woodcote, 17 Pitcullen Crescent. 1907, David Malloch & Son, Perth Plane Works, 50 South Street. No advertisement. Wm. Malloch, plane maker (of D. Malloch & Son), Woodcote, 17 Pitcullen Crescent. 1911, David Malloch & Son, Perth Plane Works, 50 South Street. No advertisement. Wm. Malloch, retired, Woodcote, 17 Pitcullen Crescent. One thing I can't quite figure: David Malloch's death date. Based on the above, I'd imagine it sometime 1889-91, when David Malloch shows no address for a house, and William Malloch has moved to Croft Park, and is shown living with his mother (who looks to have died 1893-94). I haven't been able to access any histories that speak of David Malloch's death. Now, in answer to Charlie's original question: > > On Aug 10, 2018, at 20:19 , Charles Driggs via OldTools < > oldtools@s...> wrote: > > > > #1 — I’m not aware of any place named Perth in the British Isles, so I’m > wondering if one of our fellow Galoots Down Under may have a reference on > 19th C Aussie toolmakers that might indicate the period of time when > Malloch & Sons were operating to define the range of time when the iron > probably was made. I’m expecting that to be in the period 1840 - 1900. > As Adam said, Perth Scotland. That the iron is marked "Malloch & Son" (you sure there's an S at the end?) means it was made between 1891-1911. It *could* have been made in 1878 during the first "& Son" incorporation. Were there no markings on the plane body? Here's another 90deg. bedded toothing plane by Malloch at Jim Bode's: https://www.jimbodetools.com/products/2-1-2-x-6-7-8-inch-toothing- plane-by-malloch-son-perth- circa-1878-1932-73575">https://www.jimbodetools.com/products/2-1-2-x-6-7-8-inch- toothing-plane-by-malloch-son-perth-circa-1878-1932-73575 and here at Ontario Antique Tools: http://ontarioantiquetools.com/shop/planes/david-malloch-sons-perth- toothing-plane/">http://ontarioantiquetools.com/shop/planes/david-malloch-sons- perth-toothing-plane/ The latter shows it as an "& Son" plane without the body being marked "Perth Plane Works" (as I would expect it would be were it made there), so between 1878-1903. I don't know if anyone reports non-"& Son" Malloch planes from before 1878. Sorry for the long post, but that's what going down the rabbit hole gets ya. Isn't that panel on the front of 50 South Street in Perth inspiring? Best, Bill Felton, CA |
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266344 | Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> | 2018‑08‑13 | Re: Planes or plane irons made by David Malloch & Sons ... when? |
Dang nice work Bill! Thanks for going down the rabbit hole for the rest of us. I hope several people save this to their hard drives somehow. KE On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Dragon List |
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266345 | Joshua Clark <jclark@h...> | 2018‑08‑13 | Re: Planes or plane irons made by David Malloch & Sons ... when? |
Better yet, Bill, make a page on D. Malloch over on http://wiki-tool.org and copy/paste this excellent research over there.. make sure it never goes away! There have been a number of contributions made to the Wiki and it's looking good! Josh |
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266346 | Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> | 2018‑08‑13 | Re: Planes or plane irons made by David Malloch & Sons ... when? |
Thanks, Kirk, Josh. I just set up a David Malloch page at wiki-tool. It was a lot of fun over the past couple three days. I found resources for future research, too (not only tooling, but family stuff). Best, Bill Felton, CA On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 4:05 PM, Joshua Clark |
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266347 | Charles Driggs | 2018‑08‑14 | Re: Planes or plane irons made by David Malloch & Sons ... when? |
Bill, Pardon the huge snips of your findings for the moment, but I'll answer your questions and post a little bit more in response to your interesting research ... > As Adam said, Perth Scotland. That the iron is marked "Malloch & Son" (you sure there's an S at the end?) means it was made between 1891-1911. It *could* have been made in 1878 during the first "& Son" incorporation. 1 -- after giving the iron an Evaporust bath overnight it was much easier to read the now crisp stamping without interference from paint, rust and indeterminate gunk. 'David Malloch & Son' is in an arc above 'Perth' > Were there no markings on the plane body? 2 -- well, yes there were. Two groups of markings. Owner AW Wallace apparently didn't want to leave much opportunity for anyone to swipe his plane and restamp it with their name, whacking clear, crisp impressions of his own name twice on the toe and twice on the heel. He was polite enough at the toe to mark it a fair distance below the other stamp. That is a clear, crisp stamping of D Malloch & Son (in a pent-roof shape), above 'Perth', with the entirety of that stamp inverted (unless you are reading it while holding the plane bottom side up) > Here's another 90deg. bedded toothing plane by Malloch at Jim Bode's: |
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266348 | Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> | 2018‑08‑14 | Re: Planes or plane irons made by David Malloch & Sons ... when? |
Excellent, Charlie. I'd just like to correct one last line in my research above: "The latter shows it as an "& Son" plane without the body being marked "Perth Plane Works" (as I would expect it would be were it made there), so between 1878-1903." This should finish "..., so between 1891-1903, with a rare possiblity that it could have been made in 1878." Glad you remade it as a user. I'll have to go take a look at my toothing plane and see who made it. IIRC it's also bedded at 90deg. Best, Bill Felton, CA |
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266349 | Greg Isola <gregorywisola@g...> | 2018‑08‑14 | Re: Planes or plane irons made by David Malloch & Sons ... when? |
Fine, fine (and fun!) work, Bill. Generous, too. Much appreciated by all of us, I know. GI Greg Isola Alameda, CA |
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266377 | Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> | 2018‑08‑21 | Re: Planes or plane irons made by David Malloch & Sons ... when? |
On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 3:27 PM I wrote a big long thing on David Malloch's history [snipped per FAQ]: One thing I can't quite figure: David Malloch's death date. Based on the > above, I'd imagine it sometime 1889-91, when David Malloch shows no address > for a house, and William Malloch has moved to Croft Park, and is shown > living with his mother (who looks to have died 1893-94). I haven't been > able to access any histories that speak of David Malloch's death. > Well, I found that. My dad has been deep into our family tree for the last couple years and I managed to find a reference in Ancestry to David Malloch's death certificate (he's not related to me, but I was able to search). https://mediasvc.ancestry.com/v2/image/namespaces/1093/media/e51f9b24-4 5d2-4dc7-aee0-4a9636dc206c.jpg?client=Trees&imageQuality=hq&maxWidth=2510&maxHei ght=2082">https://mediasvc.ancestry.com/v2/image/namespaces/1093/media/e51f9b24- 45d2-4dc7-aee0-4a9636dc206c.jpg?client=Trees&imageQuality=hq&maxWidth=2510&maxHe ight=2082 He was born in 1818, in Dundee, Angus to James Malloch (weaver, age 33), and Jane (Watson) Malloch (age 31), both deceased by 1891. David passed on January 4th at what looks like "1/2 one pm", aged 73, of "carcinoma of rectum and bronchial effusion" (double ouch) at his home in Croft Park, Craigie, Perth. So that answers the question of when William Malloch took over the firm David Malloch and Son, until it was sold to Mathieson. David's wife Sarah, who he married in 1845, passed on in 1893. Best, Bill Felton, CA |
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267367 | Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> | 2018‑12‑18 | Re: Planes or plane irons made by David Malloch & Sons ... when? |
All, It's against my nature to do this, but given the Wiki-Tool site that Josh runs appears to be hacked, and that's where I'd assembled the first run of this information, I thought I'd post the revised version of my history of Malloch here. If you've read before, I've added information throughout on specific dates with information pulled from local newspapers, and I incorporated the information from Malloch's death certificate into the story. I have screen shots of the newspaper articles added to the piece. There's also an odd piece about an assault at the planemaking shop! My apologies for the tedium of duplication: David Malloch After reading Charlie Driggs's post on the Oldtools list I wondered if there was indeed a Perth in Scotland (land of many of my forebears). And (before I saw Adam's reply) I found this, at 50 South Street in Perth: https://www.google.com/maps/place/50+South+St,+Perth+PH2+8PD,+UK/@56.39 51396,-3.4286161,3a,15y,157.61h,110.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soV_vR1xzW2alPDwGNA2f 2w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x48863b1113bf5c73:0x6c0ff5178238a71e!8m2!3d56.3 950068!4d-3.4284782">https://www.google.com/maps/place/50+South+St,+Perth+PH2+8P D,+UK/@56.3951396,-3.4286161,3a,15y,157.61h,110.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soV_vR1xz W2alPDwGNA2f2w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x48863b1113bf5c73:0x6c0ff5178238a71 e!8m2!3d56.3950068!4d-3.4284782 You can still see the building to which they moved in this shot, with the lovely architectural ornamentation showing an axe, a saw, and other tools on the building's façade. It was *this* that got me going down the rabbit hole to find out more about David Malloch and his planemaking in Perth. Apparently there was a wealth of information on Wiktor's site under the Mathieson history...but no more. I gathered info from a number of found posts, but did a lot of digging in primary sources: the Scottish Post Office Directories. https://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/91049054 These mostly confirmed the information in other posts, but I did glean some new information. The basic outline is as according to this Worthpoint seller ( https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/early-1800s-scottish-infill- plane-513188107">https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/early-1800s-scottish- infill-plane-513188107), that John McGlashan was a Perth planemaker in the first half of the 1800s whose business passed to David Malloch on John's death in 1849; David Malloch ran it until 1913 under various guises. In more detail, Malloch took over McGlashan's business and his home (with McGlashan's wife, a milliner, moving next door, until she apparently passed away, or left Perth, in 1857) on South Methven Street in 1849. In November, 1849, Malloch ran an announcement in the Perthshire Advertiser that says: “IMPORTANT TO JOINERS, CABINETMAKERS, IRONMONGERS, AND OTHERS. DAVID MALLOCH having Succeeded to the PLANE-MAKING BUSINESS of the late Mr. John McGlashan, South Methven Street, Perth, begs leave to intimate that he now carries on, on his own account, Planemaking in all its Departments, in the same Premises; and has always on hand a select assortment of EDGE-TOOLS, SAWS, CHISELS, GOUGES, BRACES, BITS, AUGURS, &c. D.M. having had extensive experience as Foreman to Messrs. Stewart, Planemakers in Edinburgh, trusts, by strict attention to business, the most moderate charges, and work of the best description, to merit a share of that patronage so long enjoyed by his late predecessor. N.B. Orders from the country carefully attended to: South Methven Street, Perth, November, 1849” Malloch made planes from the South Methven Street location as "David Malloch" until early 1856, when he moved the business to the center of town, opposite the main church ("Kirkside"), at 25 St. John's Street ("Above Working Men's Coffee-Room"). He announced this move in the Perthshire Advertiser of February 14, 1856: “EDGE TOOL WAREHOUSE. DAVID MALLOCH, PLANEMAKER, begs to intimate, that he has now REMOVED to more commodious Premises at 25, ST. JOHN STREET, opposite Central Bank. Entrance by Kirkside. He invites inspection of hijs large assortment of JOINERS’, CABINETMAKERS’, and SHIP CARPENTERS’ TOOLS, from the best Makers, at the most moderate prices. OBSERVE—Entrance by Kirkside, opposite Central Bank, Perth.” Interestingly, all the advertisements listing 25 St. John Street have a statement "(Successor to John M'Glashan)" that implies he still needed to trade on McGlashan's name. By 1854 he was making "Joiners' and Cabinetmakers' Tools of every description. Saws, Chisels, Braces, Bits, and Augers, of all sizes." He ran the same basic ad through the 1866 directory. Additionally, after the move to St. John Street the firm advertised in the Dundee People’s Journal, the Perthshire Advertiser, and the Dundee Courier for apprentices, for example: “Wanted, a Stout Active Boy, 15 Years of age, as an APPRENTICE. Apply to DAVID MALLOCH, Plane Maker, St. John Street, Perth.” He used the same manufactory until 1870, when he moved the business to 50 South Street, which is only about three blocks away from Kirkside. While there are no directories provided between 1866 and 1872 to say when the move was undertaken, according to a comment at the bottom of this post: https://automobilrevue.net/v/Q2l5bXNMNWFQVUU "A notice in the Perthshire Courier of Tuesday 26 April 1870, recorded that “David Malloch, Plane Manufacturer and Edge Tool Merchant …. has removed from Kirkside to more commodious premises at 50 South St. …” The author speculates "It is apparent that the Malloch business had steadily grown and with the move to South St, further expansion was possible. These were extensive premises for a firm that seems to have undertaken little or no other work than planemaking." Expand they did, and by 1881 the firm had 9 employees. I think the author of that comment was actually incorrect, in that they were making everything a joiner or cabinetmaker could need (not least as evidenced by the architectural ornamentation on the 50 South Street building, still extant), and so goes against the idea of "little or no other work than planemaking." And now here's where things get a little awry. Goodman's lists the Perth Plane Works under David Malloch & Son from 1878-1913. The automobilrevue.net link shows David Malloch & Son (1878-1913) separately from The Perth Plane works, but the latter with no dates. Based on what I could glean from the Scottish Post Office Directories, David Malloch & Son indeed was *mentioned* in 1878, but in the years 1880-1891 was still David Malloch, planemaker. There is no trace of William in the Perth directories until the 1891 directory, when he's shown living at Croft Park with his mother; David appears to have passed away. William was born in 1849, according to Britain's 1881 census; perhaps when he was 29 his father encouraged him to join the planemaking enterprise, when David would have been 60. Perhaps to no avail. The firm continued to be listed as David Malloch through 1891; after that, through its purchase by Mathieson in 1913 it was listed as David Malloch & Son. The additional sobriquet "The Perth Plane Works" was only listed starting with the 1903 directory, though indeed could have been added any time after 1899's directory was published. At first I couldn’t quite figure: David Malloch's death date. Based on the above, I'd imagined it sometime 1889-91, when David Malloch shows no address for a house, and William Malloch has moved to Croft Park, and is shown living with his mother (who looks to have died 1893-94). I hadn't been able to access any histories that speak of David Malloch's death; however, given my father’s deep dive into our family tree I found an entry on Ancestry.com. I was able to find David Malloch’s death certificate there: https://mediasvc.ancestry.com/v2/image/namespaces/1093/media/e51f9b24-4 5d2-4dc7-aee0-4a9636dc206c.jpg?client=Trees&imageQuality=hq&maxWidth=2510&maxHei ght=2082">https://mediasvc.ancestry.com/v2/image/namespaces/1093/media/e51f9b24- 45d2-4dc7-aee0-4a9636dc206c.jpg?client=Trees&imageQuality=hq&maxWidth=2510&maxHe ight=2082 He was born in 1818, in Dundee, to James Malloch (a weaver, age 33) and Jane (Watson) Malloch (age 31), both deceased by 1891. David passed on January 4th at what looks like “1/2 one pm”, aged 73, of “carcinoma of rectum and bronchial effusion” at his home in Croft Park, Craigie, Perth. The death was witnessed by his son John, then aged 30. David left an estate in the amount of £2152 13s 5d (worth approximately £176K today), a considerable sum. David’s wife Sarah, who he married in 1845, passed on in 1893. An interesting tidbit appeared in the “Courts” section of the Dundee Courier in 1896, wherein an apprentice planemaker assaulted his master: “ASSAULTING HIS MASTER.—Frederick Campbell, apprentice planemaker, was charged—before Bailie Wright—at the Police Court yesterday, with having, on Tuesday, in the workshop in South Street occupied by David Malloch, planemaker, assaulated the said David Malloch by throwing several plane handles at him, and striking him on the side. He pleaded not guilty, but was convicted on evidence, and fined 30s, with the option of twenty days’ imprisonment.” However, I am betting his master was actually William Malloch, David Malloch having been dead 5 years by the time of the assault. And note, 30s was about four days’ wages at the time. I've created the following timeline from my research, and that of the others mentioned: MCGLASHAN, John PERTH 50 St. John St. <1837-ca.1845 66 South Methven St. ca.1845-1849 MALLOCH, David PERTH 57 South Methven St. 1850-ca.1854 25 St. John St. ca.1854-1870 50 South St. 1870-1890, excepting 1878 MALLOCH David & Son (William) PERTH 50 South St. 1878, 1891-ca.1899 50 South St. (The Perth Plane Works) ca.1899-1913 11 East Campbell St., Glasgow 1914-1932 (Subsidiary of Alex. Mathieson, Glasgow) I do note that William is listed as retired in the 1911 Post Office Directory, so I wonder even about the 1913 date for Mathieson's acquisition (though that seems to be the date everyone knows). Compare this with Goodman's (W.L. Goodman's _British Planemakers from 1700_, Third Edition, c. 1993) quoted from the old thread by Don McConnell: MALLOCH, David & Son PERTH 50 South St. (The Perth Plane Works) 1878-1913 11 East Campbell St., Glasgow 1914-1932 (Subsidiary of Alex. Mathieson, Glasgow) Here's the full timeline I assembled (all sources not listed are from the Scottish Post Office Directories): 1795, John McGlashan born (from an expired WK Tools article; I could just read the preview). 1818, David Malloch born (1881 British Census) 1837, John McGlashan & Co., wright's tool makers; 50 St. John Street. No advertisement. 1845, David Malloch marries Sarah MacLaren (Ancestry.com) 1845, John McGlashan, 66 South Methven Street (tool-maker); South Methven Street (plane-maker); house at 2 York Place. No advertisement. 1848, John McGlashan, 66 South Methven Street (tool-maker); South Methven Street (tool manufacturer); unknown house. No advertisement. 1849, John McGlashan dies. His wife lived as a milliner at 65 South Methven Street until 1857. William Malloch born (Worthpoint/Automobilrevue.net/1881 British Census) 1849, David Malloch notice in Perthshire Advertiser in Novmeber, taking over from John McGlashan on South Methven Street. 1850, David Malloch, 57 South Methven Street; house at 66 South Methven Street. No advertisement. No entry for John McGlashan. 1852, David Malloch, 57 South Methven Street; house at 66 South Methven Street. No advertisement. Helen Malloch born (1881 British Census) 1854, David Malloch, 57 South Methven Street; house at 66 South Methven Street. Advertised at 25 St. John's Street as a "wright's tool manufacturer" (https://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/85747120) 1856, David Malloch notice in Perthshire Advertiser on February 14 about move to 25 St. John Street. 1856-1880s, David Malloch advertises in various newspapers for apprentices. 1856, David Malloch, Kirkside; assume house at 66 South Methven Street. Advertised at 25 St. John Street as a "wright's tool manufacturer" ( https://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/85669664). Mary Malloch born (1881 British Census) 1858, David Malloch, planemaker, Kirkside; assume house at 66 South Methven Street. Advertised at 25 St. John Street as a "wright's tool manufaturer" ( https://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/86534577). Sarah Malloch born (1881 British Census) 1861, John Malloch born. Family of David Malloch now numbers 6 (1881 British Census) 1862, David Malloch, planemaker, Kirkside; house at 41 South Street. Advertised at 25 St. John Street as a "wright's tool manufacturer" ( https://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/85673485) 1863, James Malloch born (1881 British Census) 1865, David Malloch, planemaker, Kirkside; house at 71 Prince's Street. No advertisement. George Malloch born (1881 British Census) 1866, David Malloch, planemaker, Kirkside; house at 28 St. John Street. Advertised at 25 St. John Street as a "wright's tool manufacturer" ( https://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/85680359) 1870, David Malloch, Plane Manufacturer and Edge Tool Merchant, 50 South Street; assume house at 28 St. John Street (Perthshire Courier) 1872, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at 28 St. John Street. No advertisement. 1874, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at 28 St. John Street. No advertisement. 1878, David Malloch & Son, planemakers, 50 South Street; house at 28 St. John Street. No advertisement. 1880, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park, Craigie. No advertisement. 1881, David Malloch, planemaker employing 9 men; house at Croft Bank, in the West Church Parish (1881 British Census) 1882, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park, Craigie. No advertisement. 1884, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park, Craigie. No advertisement. 1885, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park, Craigie. No advertisement. 1887, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park, Craigie. No advertisement. 1889, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park, Craigie. No advertisement. 1891, David Malloch dies from rectal cancer and a collapsed lung on January 4 at 1:30 pm. at Croft Park, Craigie, leaving an estate valued at £2152 13s 5d. 1891, David Malloch & Son, plane manufacturers, 50 South Street. No advertisement. William Malloch at Croft Park, Craigie (along with Mrs. David Malloch, no David) 1893, David Malloch & Son, plane manufacturers, 50 South Street. No advertisement. William Malloch at Croft Park, Craigie (along with Mrs. David Malloch) 1893, Sarah (MacLaren) Malloch dies. 1895, David Malloch & Son, plane manufacturers, 50 South Street. No advertisement. William Malloch, plane maker (of David Malloch & Son), 48 1/2 South Street. 1896, Frederick Campbell, apprentice, found guilty of assaulting his master William Malloch (though it lists David) by throwing plane handles at him; Campbell was fined 30s for his assault. 1897, David Malloch & Son, plane manufacturers, 50 South Street. No advertisement. William Malloch, plane maker (of David Malloch & Son), 48 1/2 South Street. 1899, David Malloch & Son, plane manufacturers, 50 South Street. No advertisement. William Malloch, plane maker (of David Malloch & Son), 48 1/2 South Street. 1903, David Malloch & Son, Perth Plane Works, 50 South Street. No advertisement. Wm. Malloch, plane maker (of D. Malloch & Son), Woodcote, Pitcullen Crescent. 1905, David Malloch & Son, Perth Plane Works, 50 South Street. No advertisement. Wm. Malloch, plane maker (of D. Malloch & Son), Woodcote, 17 Pitcullen Crescent. 1907, David Malloch & Son, Perth Plane Works, 50 South Street. No advertisement. Wm. Malloch, plane maker (of D. Malloch & Son), Woodcote, 17 Pitcullen Crescent. 1911, David Malloch & Son, Perth Plane Works, 50 South Street. No advertisement. Wm. Malloch, retired, Woodcote, 17 Pitcullen Crescent. Now, in answer to Charlie's original question: > On Aug 10, 2018, at 20:19 , Charles Driggs via OldTools < oldtools@s...> wrote: > > #1 — I’m not aware of any place named Perth in the British Isles, so I’m wondering if one of our fellow Galoots Down Under may have a reference on 19th C Aussie toolmakers that might indicate the period of time when Malloch & Sons were operating to define the range of time when the iron probably was made. I’m expecting that to be in the period 1840 - 1900. As Adam said, Perth Scotland. That the iron is marked "Malloch & Son" (you sure there's an S at the end?) means it was made between 1891-1911. It *could* have been made in 1878 during the first "& Son" incorporation. Were there no markings on the plane body? Here's another 90deg. bedded toothing plane by Malloch at Jim Bode's: https://www.jimbodetools.com/products/2-1-2-x-6-7-8-inch-toothing- plane-by-malloch-son-perth- circa-1878-1932-73575">https://www.jimbodetools.com/products/2-1-2-x-6-7-8-inch- toothing-plane-by-malloch-son-perth-circa-1878-1932-73575 and here at Ontario Antique Tools: http://ontarioantiquetools.com/shop/planes/david-malloch-sons-perth- toothing-plane/">http://ontarioantiquetools.com/shop/planes/david-malloch-sons- perth-toothing-plane/ The latter shows it as an "& Son" plane without the body being marked "Perth Plane Works" (as I would expect it would be were it made there), so between 1891-1899/1903. I don't know if anyone reports non-"& Son" Malloch planes from before 1878. Sorry for the (increasingly) long post, but that's what going down the rabbit hole gets ya. Isn't that panel on the front of 50 South Street in Perth inspiring? |
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