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99458 | Jim Erdman <jlerdman@y...> | 2001‑11‑08 | Re: Bio,// Bedrock(?) plane |
Ted, Sounds like maybe an earlier Bedrock plane, see Bob Kaune's pages for details of Bedrock types: http://www.antique-used-tools.com/brtypes.htm Type 4 and earlier Bedrocks didn't have the pins and screws that the later types had, just regular frog attachment screws like regular Bailey planes. Hope this is of some help. Jim Erdman (Menomonie, WI) --- "Stevenson, Ted" |
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99454 | "Stevenson, Ted" <tstevenson@i...> | 2001‑11‑08 | Bio |
Greetings, Galoots: I've been lurking for a month or so, but it's so dark and lonely under the porch I decided to step into the light and be counted. I found OT when I began looking around on the web to get some information about what turns out to be a Type 2 #7 that I've been toting around for decades (with a bunch of other user tools acquired over don't ask me how many years at yard sales, etc.). I'd purchased a R. Hock replacement blade and discovered (as I now knowPatrick Leach reports in B&G) that it was too thick to work properly without filing the mouth. "Hmmmmm. Better find out what I've got here before I start filing," I thought to myself. I came across the Type flow chart and identified not only the #7, but a Type 4 #8 that I'd likewise been toting around for eons. Anyway, filing will not be done on the Type 2; I'll go back to trying to flatten the (not original) iron. As a woodworker, I've been involved off and on (more off than on) since the mid-60's. I was apprentice to a harpsichord builder, starting in '70, who recreated (as much as possible) the building tradition of the 18th Century, materials, processes, structure, even decoration. For better or worse, that didn't last, but it was interesting . . . Some miscellaneous cabinet jobs and spates of restoring Civil War-era houses have been interspersed with mostly publishing work for the last quarter-century. Five years ago, I got interested in wooden boats (as I know a number of you are), and have been working on a Shellback Dinghy for a good part of those years. (It's built now; all that remains is about 100 hours of filling, sanding, painting, rigging. Oh dear!) Other boatbuilding and furniture projects are lining up to occupy the next few years. I'll end (for any brave souls who've read this far) with a What-is-it? question. Once I started looking over my 'old tools,' I took out and dusted off an old #3 bench plane that had been bequethed to me by a retired carpenter friend. I'd been using it as a scrub. On dismantling it for a good cleaning, I figured I'd "type" it using the flow chart. But no luck. The only identifying mark on the entire tool is on the iron (Stanley Sweetheart logo). The body has no cast ID of any kind, BUT, the frog/bed mounting system -- and the form of the frog itself -- are apparently identical to the BedRock design (as found on B&G). That is a sloped (20 degree?), grooved, fully machined bed that meets the tongued, fully machined frog. There is a single frog-adjusting screw engaging a stud screwed to the frog proper, just as illustrated at http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/bedprop.htm. The difference is that the frog is retained by two screws into the bed, as with a Baily design. Anyone know what this might be? Regards, Ted -- Executive Editor, ISP & ASP channels internet.com Corp. - The Internet & IT Network 23 Old Kings Highway South Darien CT 06820 http://www.internet.com tstevenson@i... voice: 203/662-2874 |
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99460 | "Chris Otto" <chrisotto@s...> | 2001‑11‑08 | RE: Bio |
Welcome..! > ... I was apprentice to a harpsichord > builder, starting > in '70, who recreated (as much as possible) the building tradition of > the 18th Century, materials, processes, structure, even > decoration.... I envy you. Although I don't even play any keyboard instruments I've been wanting to build a harpsichord since reading Zuckermann's book a couple decades ago. > ... an old #3 bench plane that had been bequethed to me > by a retired carpenter friend... > Anyone know what this might be? Vaughn & Bushnell #903 perhaps??? Your description sure sounds like a V&B smoother I have at home awaiting a tune up (though mine has a logo & model number on the lever cap.) Its frog looks like what you described (as best I can remember right now,) it's as wide as a stanley #3 but slightly longer - as long as a #4. Mine's got "flat sides" that look like a bedrock's. AFAIK neither the user nor collector communities have any info on V&B products on the web. Last time I looked, all I could find was some gossip along the lines of "quality control is all over the place on V&B planes", nothing more. No one on the porch admitted to ever using one when I asked. Got any pictures of your #3?? Regards, Chris O. |
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99463 | "Stevenson, Ted" <tstevenson@i...> | 2001‑11‑08 | Re: Bio,// Bedrock(?) plane |
Thanks, Jim - Since I've gotten this second copy of your reply, I'll toss it back out to the group. I did check Bob's site more carefully and this time spotted the BedRock/KeenKutter Comparison link. What I have is likely a KeenKutter, type 4 or 5. At least the lateral lever (twisted) and lever cap (plain) are consistent with that. However, Bob doesn't mention ANY models completely devoid of marks on the main casting -- as mine is. An anomaly, I guess. Thnx again Ted Jim Erdman wrote: > Ted, > Sounds like maybe an earlier Bedrock plane, see Bob > Kaune's pages for details of Bedrock types: > http://www.antique-used-tools.com/brtypes.htm > Type 4 and earlier Bedrocks didn't have the pins and > screws that the later types had, just regular frog > attachment screws like regular Bailey planes. > Hope this is of some help. > > Jim Erdman (Menomonie, WI) > > --- "Stevenson, Ted" |
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99465 | "Stephen Reynolds" <stephenereynolds@e...> | 2001‑11‑08 | Re: Bio,// Bedrock(?) plane |
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99479 | "Jim Cook" <jim-cook@m...> | 2001‑11‑08 | Re: Bio,// Bedrock(?) plane |
Steve, Actually, V&B made at least their model 805 with round sides. I have one that exactly like a round side Bedrock, but without any casting marks, and with the twisted lateral. George Langford could perhaps confirm if the 905 was also make in a round sided version. That would be my guess. Regards, Jim > It appears Stanley had a thing for milling off castings to remove > writing they no longer wanted to be there. Assuming Ted's is not > milled, maybe they got it right for once and made a run of Bedrocks > for a hardware store and removed all the writing from the patterns? > > Vaughn and Bushell planes are marked "Dropped Forged" and I think > they may have only been made with square sides. > >Regards, Steve |
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111433 | Chris Berger <toolroom@I...> | 2002‑11‑06 | Re: Bio |
> > Alright. It's about time for me to write a bio and get a little more > active here. > My name is Matt Wollnik and I was born in Germany almost 25 years ago. > Ended up working in software R&D in the Suburbs of Minneapolis. > Hi Matt That was a great story on your evolution in Woodworking. And Welcome to the top of the slippery slope(s). Hope it is a long and fun ride! Chris |
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111437 | Matthias Wollnik <mwollnik@a...> | 2002‑11‑06 | Re: Bio |
On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 05:44:18PM +0000, Richard.Wilson@s... wrote: > Apart from Uncle Ron - Record were still making and selling their No 73 > blade, and I suppose Lie Nielson sell replacements, and Clico (Clifton) > sell them - though as Paul Womack recently remarked, and my sad experience > proves - they don't fit Records - being thicker. Good point. I should have considered the metal shoulder plane replacement blades right away. Makes me wish I had picked up that clearanced Clifton 311 blade a year ago at $5 at the local Woodcraft. Then again, it was awefully small...Probably shouldn't try to build a small infill shoulder plane the first time around :) Matt -- Matthias Wollnik email: mwollnik@a... |
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111438 | Matthias Wollnik <mwollnik@a...> | 2002‑11‑06 | Re: Bio |
> Well, LN's #73 is a big slab o' steel. > Might do ya' True...well my birthday is coming up soon ... and it's been marked in all the catalogs I have for a while...so you never know :) Then again....I am from south of the English Channel. Seems I'm supposed to learn to not need a shoulder plane :) Matt -- Matthias Wollnik email: mwollnik@a... |
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111434 | Richard.Wilson@s... | 2002‑11‑06 | Re: Bio |
Matthias (welcome to you) asks >shoulder plane kit I may just cave in immediately. Does anyone have a source >for shoulder plane blades? Making my own is not an option since carpet burns to >easy. Apart from Uncle Ron - Record were still making and selling their No 73 blade, and I suppose Lie Nielson sell replacements, and Clico (Clifton) sell them - though as Paul Womack recently remarked, and my sad experience proves - they don't fit Records - being thicker. Richard Wilson Yorkshireman Galoot ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------ For information on Christian Salvesen PLC visit our website at www.salvesen.com. The information contained in this e-mail is strictly confidential and for the use of the addressee only; it may also be legally privileged and or price sensitive. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, use or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. Christian Salvesen PLC has taken every reasonable precaution to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. However, we cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and would advise that you carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. |
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