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103324 | Minch <ruby@m...> | 2002‑02‑15 | Question |
GG I picked up a Stanley Sweetheart #41 yardstick this morning and it has some language on it that I don't understand. It is marked in inches on the front and on the back as 1/32, 1/16, 1/8, 1/4, 3/8, 1/2, and 3/4 YD. Also on the back in small capitol letters is: SERIA LF.2 APP.TYPE351 N.Y.C.PA.ALA. What means this?? Also, I think we covered this a while back, but how did the old timers keep the blades of their slicks from falling off the handles and severing their feet? Thanks in advance Can anyone else remember a day with 3 - count 'em - 3 new bios?? Welcome all! Ed Minch |
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103333 | "Neal Connor" <neal@n...> | 2002‑02‑15 | RE: Bio flood |
Ed Minch queries: >>Can anyone else remember a day with 3 - count 'em - 3 new bios?? Welcome all! How's about four? I'm a re-subscribing lurker, back to the list after about four years - I finally have shop space again after getting married (SWMBO _insisted_ that I have a shop - Huzzah! It works for her because it's three floors away in our big ol' Victorian). I started sliding down the slope about ten years ago, making my own mallets, handles, bowsaw, etc., and after comparing Roy's performances to Norm's, I knew which way to go. Made a bunch of larger pieces back then (standing desk, 10-ft trestle table for my brother). I've been accumulating...erm...shiny things...for some time and now I'm able to remove the rust from my skills, so I'm back at it. I'm an IT consultant going back to work shortly after getting caught in the Bubble - all SA work, big projects and problem-solving. I make my money from the weirdnesses of the IT Borg (that's Microsoft), but at heart, I'm a Linux/*BSD geek. I am also the victim of what my friend Bob (a fellow sufferer) calls IAD - Instrument Acquisition Disorder. At this point I'm up to 3 dizis, pennywhistles, a concertina, bodhran, guitar, mandolin, tenor sax, erhu, banhu, and two pianos (the latter are really SWMBO's, but they still count). I can even sort of play a few of them. As I consider trying to combine both afflictions, I wonder - do we have any other proto-luthiers on the Porch? Glad to be on the best list I've ever seen (and I've run a few), ---------------------------------------- : Neal Connor '. _ .' -= (~) =- neal@n... .' # '. http://www.nealconnor.org ---------------------------------------- Press any key... no, no, no, NOT THAT ONE! |
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103345 | Ryan Roehrich <lists@t...> | 2002‑02‑15 | RE: Bio flood + coffin smoother iron ? |
At 07:34 PM 2/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Ed Minch queries: > > >>Can anyone else remember a day with 3 - count 'em - 3 new bios?? >Welcome all! > >How's about four? How about five? :) My name is Ryan Roehrich and I've been a lurker on here for a few months and have really enjoyed it. I'm 26 and live in Omaha, NE. I too am in the IT world, employed as a Unix Administrator within Compaq. Having too much technology in my life drove me to take up woodworking around this time last year. At first my addiction to tools was all about power tools, however, over the past year that has largely switched over to hand tools. This switch has allowed my 2 year old daughter to safely come work out in the garage and work with me which is alot of fun for both of us. It's kinda neat to have a 2 year old know what a plane is instead of the latest and greatest kids toy :) Recently I picked up a old cheap wooden coffin smoother to play around with while I wait for my Knight smoother. The question I have is about the angle of the iron. It measured the angle and it looks to be a bit less than 15 degrees. Is this too small of an angle for a smoother? Thanks everyone and it's great to be here! Ryan |
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103367 | "Bretton Wade" <brettonw@m...> | 2002‑02‑16 | RE: Bio flood + coffin smoother iron ? |
Welcome Ryan, I can 100% relate to your story. I too started woodworking to get away from a high tech career by day. It's wonderful to know that you are making something, and there's no schedule! As for your wooden plane, I'm not clear which angle is 15 degrees. Are you talking about the bevel/bezel angle? If so, I would think that 15 degrees is a little low. It should be easy to fix, though, just grind it back a tiny bit to insure a strong edge, and then use micro-bezels at a more appropriate angle. There's no need to waste a lot of blade, you just don't want a long bezel hanging out too much unsupported iron. Use a light cut, and after twenty years or so you'll have used enough of the blade up that you won't remember where the old bezel ended. If you're talking about the bed angle (the angle the bed makes with the sole), then 15 degrees is way to low for a wooden plane to hold up, but then I don't think such a plane would be made in a coffin shape anyway. Bretton Who counts six bios yesterday, and is who is tickled pink to have received a copy of Wayne's 2Mb powerpoint presentation on making a YB plane? -- Bretton Wade (aka Noz Moe King) in Bellevue, WA http://www.galoot-coop.org/ |
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103369 | garyallan may <garyallanmay@y...> | 2002‑02‑16 | Re: Question |
--- Minch wrote: SNIP>>>but how > did the old timers keep > the blades of their slicks from falling off the > handles and severing their > feet? Ed: The same way I do with my electric guitar---I never let go of it. Most cool electrics get broke when the strap fails---in twenty years I've broken about ten straps and had about a hundred slip off in use, but never actually dropped a guitar that way, because I am lucky enough to have been taught to always hold on to the neck, and if not, by some other part. Never hang a guitar by its strap, or expect the strap to hold it. Ultimately, it will lead to tragedy. And, I always hold the slick by the socket, whether I'm using it or just carrying it, so it seems safe to me---my brother once grabbed up a slick saying: "Look at this HUGE---"---the blade stuck firmly in the floor about two inches away from his little toe as he stood there brandishing the handle. It's amazing because he has very large feet---If Jesus' feet had been that big, no one would have been surprised by the walking on water. He (my brother) dressed up as a clown for Halloween last fall, and every time he mentioned it, someone said: "So, you just paint your regular shoes red, right? ...good times, good times. Seriously though, some modern slicks I've seen have the handles pinned, and while it seems like a good idea, it allows a work habit to develop that will inevitably lead to disaster---like unloaded guns. Plus, you need to be able to pack the thing, and it's a lot easier to do with a detachable handle. So, you've probably seen as many slicks as any of us, right? Seen many with permanent handles? and all the very best to you, Ed; GAM in sunny, sunny Seattle __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com |
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103381 | "David and Holly Sawyer" <dhsawyer@h...> | 2002‑02‑16 | Re: Question |
Not sure, but I have a Lufkin no 7122 marked on the back: N.Y.C & PENNA. SERIAL NO. E2 APPROVED TYPE I asked about it a few months ago and no one knew. I thought it was railroad related, but I guess there never was a NYC and Penn railroad. Dave Sawyer Evansville, IN From: "Minch" > GG > > I picked up a Stanley Sweetheart #41 yardstick this morning and it has some > language on it that I don't understand. > > It is marked in inches on the front and on the back as 1/32, 1/16, 1/8, 1/4, > 3/8, 1/2, and 3/4 YD. > > Also on the back in small capitol letters is: > > SERIA LF.2 > APP.TYPE351 > N.Y.C.PA.ALA. > > What means this?? > |
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103382 | MisterMatt@a... | 2002‑02‑17 | Re: Question |
Gentle Ones; Dave Sawyer asks about a Lufkin rule marked: >>Not sure, but I have a Lufkin no 7122 marked on the back: N.Y.C & PENNA. SERIAL NO. E2 APPROVED TYPE I asked about it a few months ago and no one knew. I thought it was railroad related, but I guess there never was a NYC and Penn railroad.<< WHat Dave's asking is not entirely true. In the late 60's / early 70's when both the Pennsylvania RR (giant mother of an Eastern rail-line with tens of thousands of miles of right of way, Jeff) & the NY Central (almost equally behemoth-like rail carrier, Jeff) were going snuff-a-ways, they merged into the Penn Central. But this likely doesn't have a thing to do with the rule. However, the rule was likely made for use by both Pennsy & NY Central and was marked as being approved by both. Since both RR's had big operations in the NY City metro area with freight & passenger terminals in the city proper (Penn Station, long since torn down & replaced by dreck and Grand Central Station, recently refurbished & looking as snappy as ever) and also had repair yards and facilities in the area, merchants in that region, such as Hammacher Schlemmer & others would likely have supplied tools to both railroads. It made good sense to have a rule that was approved by both, so they could ensure stock on hand and 'keep an edge' over the other rule guys. That is what I'm thinking. Kind of a neat find, especially if you know any rail buffs (although most are staunchly in either the Pennsy or NYCentral camp and might turn a nose up at a 'dual use' item). So there you have it. Hey how 'bout that, two rule questions in one day for me - Ed Minch's rag trade rule question earlier & this one..... and I don't even collect rules... no sir, not me - I've only got about 20, which as you fine fellows & gals know, doesn't even scratch the surface for a collection.... at least that's what I tell SWMBO. Enjoy!!! Matt Glass - lurching closer to finishing da bench in Nukeville & the proud new owner of the most amazingly figured piece of 1/4 sawn white oak (meep, meep!!) |
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103387 | "sushandel" <sushandel@m...> | 2002‑02‑17 | Re: Question |
Dave Sawyer wrote: > Not sure, but I have a Lufkin no 7122 marked on the back: > > N.Y.C & PENNA. > SERIAL NO. E2 > APPROVED TYPE > > I asked about it a few months ago and no one knew. I thought it was > railroad related, but I guess there never was a NYC and Penn railroad. > Dave and All, Perhaps the railroad notion is a blind lead. Not too infrequently rules are found with the NYC mark in one form or another. It has been suggested before that this referred to "approval" for bulk purchase by New York City authorities for use in schools or other city departments. Ditto for the Commonwealth of Pennsylvana. Sandy Moss Home Page and Tools for sale list at: http://www.sydnassloot.com/ |
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103389 | reeinelson@w... (Bob Nelson) | 2002‑02‑17 | RE: Question |
Hi Minch & Dave & Matt & Sandy & All, Minch asked about an N.Y.C.PA.ALA. marking on a rule. Dave S. said he had a different type rule with an N.Y.C. & PENNA. marking he'd thought might be RR related but knew of no such RR. Matt said there was such a RR, so maybe that was it. And Sandy said he'd seen ones with N.Y.C. only markings and thought it was just a city government approval thing unrelated to RRs. I've owned ca. 200 rules, looked at a good many others, and seen several markings like these. I've thought I knew what they meant in general, but can't recall why I thought that or how I came to do so. Basically, it's along the lines of Sandy's idea. Many state and local governments did/do have weights and measures standards and various types of bureaus and inspectors to enforce them. I'm sure you're all familiar with the inspection labels found today on weight scales in butcher's shops, doctor's offices, etc. My assumption has been that the markings on rules were simply an indication that that particular rule (maybe even just type of rule) had been certified as meeting the requirements of a particular government or such. Such certification would probably not be needed for all rules - only those used in retail trade or such. I do know more for sure about the use of such markings in the U.K. - and maybe that's why/how I made the U.S. assumption. Weights and measures standards have been a very big deal in the U.K. for centuries. Individual serving mugs and glasses in British bars are marked with a symbol denoting the accuracy of the pint of bitters you're buying and that's been so for a long time. The marking most commonly used is a small shield with initials designating the reigning monarch (i.e., ER for Elizabeth Regina or Edward Regina, HR for Henry Regina, etc.) and a number designating the city or other inspection area. Some old pewter mugs might have 20 or more such marks stamped into their bodies based on periodic reinspections; I've assumed those were from bars that maybe had bad reputations for giving honest measure. Some British rules are also stamped this same way; I assume those rules were used in retail trades or such where fair measure mattered. Best Wishes, Bob in MD |
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103676 | "Michael D. Sullivan" <lizardnewt@y...> | 2002‑02‑22 | RE: Question |
On Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:07:01 -0500 (EST), Bob Nelson wrote: >Individual serving mugs and glasses in British bars are marked with a >symbol denoting the accuracy of the pint of bitters you're buying and >that's been so for a long time. The marking most commonly used is a >small shield with initials designating the reigning monarch (i.e., ER >for Elizabeth Regina or Edward Regina, HR for Henry Regina, etc.) and a >number designating the city or other inspection area. Didn't know there had been a Queen Edward or Queen Henry. I guess they kept in the closet very well. (That should have been Edward/Henry REX.) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com |
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