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276615 | Darrell <larchmont479@g...> | 2022‑11‑23 | unforeseen challenges |
Galoots, As the subject line indicates, I am facing some challenges that I did not anticipate in this project. Currently I am building a set of knockdown shelves for SCA camping. These are for a friend, and are built to her specifications. The most critical of which is that the whole ensemble has to break down and fit into a very small volume in her vehicle. I'm way out in front of the curve here folks, and will complete the project before she has to purchase a new car. How's that for awesome? So, on to the challenges. The biggest one I am fighting with right now is the sheer size of the panels I am dealing with. They are 15 X 42 inches. That's not so bad when you're planing or scraping them. You put some stops on the bench, maybe a holdfast or two, and everything works fine. But I am past that part of the project, and I'm cutting tenons. Big tenons on the ends of big boards. I am having to orient the stock several ways, for various operations. The bench is pretty large (3 feet by 7 feet) so I *should* be able to do this, but I am finding it difficult. There are too many tools on the bench to allow for all the requisite position changes of the stock. I keep having to move tools back and forth, or pick them up off the floor from whence they have fallen. I greatly fear that I will have to reorganise or reduce my tool repository to provide some off-bench space near at hand. Can I hear a chorus of Moans Of Despair, please? Darrell -- Oakville ON Wood Hoarder, Blade Sharpener, and Occasional Tool User |
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276616 | Kirk Eppler | 2022‑11‑23 | Re: unforeseen challenges |
Heck, stand them up in front of the bench, and holdfast them to the bench, Says he confidently, who has never done it this way before. Then you only have to move the stuff hanging over the front edge of the bench. Kirk in Half Moon Bay, dispensing useless information across multiple platforms today it seems, Must be time for a holiday break, happy thanksgiving to our US correspondents. On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 1:30 PM Darrell |
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276617 | M H <shadowd@g...> | 2022‑11‑23 | Re: unforeseen challenges |
Have you considered an apron to hold most of the hand tools? Perhaps a pony/backup table behind you to hold the other tools? I have a constrained space to do my work in, so I usually have a small outdoor furniture side table beside me while using my ersatz workbench. Perhaps you’ve got some seasonal/occasional furniture that can be press ganged into use ? Marc, in unseasonably warm Toronto, ON On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 5:35 PM Kirk Eppler via groups.io |
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276619 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2022‑11‑24 | Re: unforeseen challenges |
Moans of despair! Loud. "There are too many tools on the bench to allow for all the requisite position changes of the stock." I feel your pain! My 4 X 8 foot bench has the same disease. Currently working on the medicine cabinet from that very dark, very hot place. My neighbor wanted to make a cabinet around a glass front cabinet door, one of two. First one was rabidly out of square, so I took the other. But it was not square either, though not as bad. Built a jig on the bench top, built a face frame. Dowelling jig failure. Pulled it apart and rebuilt. That's when I discovered my framing square wasn't square. Pulled that one apart too. Ah Hah! Pulled out the #100 framing vise, and guess what? It isn't square either. (How then, does it build problem free picture frames?!) Enter the horizontal boring machine. Face frame no assembled! Mike in Woodland |
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276620 | galoot@l... | 2022‑11‑24 | Re: unforeseen challenges |
Are you talking tenons on the ends of the 42" boards? Put them on a sitting height bench, ask Kathy or one of the kids to be a gravity clamp and pretend you are ripping a short distance? Or wait a couple weeks to be invaded by invited kibitzers who can demonstrate how they would do it? You know, the Tom Sawyer solution... With a not huge vehicle I will be interested in the design. Esther who expects to be one of the kibitzers at the barbeque in 2+ weeks. Quoting Darrell |
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276621 | Richard Wilson <yorkshireman@y...> | 2022‑11‑24 | Re: unforeseen challenges |
Darrell has a problem…. I read this as needing to cut tenons onto 42” components. I may be missing something here, which is my normal state after all, but why not cut them horizontally? Some long time ago I made up an extended base for a 71, with an end piece that provides a sort of depth stop courier font ascii art follows. Router body, a basem attached with the conveniently built in screwholes, and a stop which moves up and down, secured with a couple of screws, tightened from the end. RRRRR RRRRR S bbbbbbbbbbbbbS- www c S wwwwwwwwwwww S www S SO what does that fo for us. Well, you can cut the tenon face and remove the bulk material with a mallet and chisel, then set the router to the tenon face, with its free end supported on the base. You then use it to bring the tenon face to a finished state. Rotate the workpiece 90 degrees and repeat as needed. As the french might say - Voila! but seriously, the simplicity of the No71 (router, Jeff) hides its adaptability. With the above modification, you are suddenly enabled to work on the ends of workpieces where you would otherwise be denied access. Those screw holes built in for the fence can so easily be adapted for a plate which extends the base, or for deeper fences to enable you to interact with mouldings, or whatever your fancy suggests. And - in previous instalments here, don’t forget that making your own fancy or miniature blades is ridiculously easy with a grinding wheel and an allen key. Richard Wilson reaching back to the last century for ascii art > On 23 Nov 2022, at 21:30, Darrell |
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276623 | Phil E. <pedgerton66@g...> | 2022‑11‑24 | Re: unforeseen challenges |
Hi Galoots, Darrel, A small rolling cart works well for extra tools needed. You can drag it around to wherever. I lucked into an old "overbed table" from a hospital. Rolls around easily with a bonus of height adjustability. I often use it to support the ends of long boards which hang off the bench. Best, Phil E. |
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276624 | Darrell <larchmont479@g...> | 2022‑11‑25 | Re: unforeseen challenges |
On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 at 23:09, |
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276625 | Bill Ghio | 2022‑11‑25 | Re: unforeseen challenges |
> On Nov 24, 2022, at 9:34 PM, Darrell |
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276626 | Dennis Heyza <michigaloot@c...> | 2022‑11‑25 | Re: unforeseen challenges |
Jumping in on the shop clutter conversation - Here's a link to my hand-tool-only shop page: https://www.dheyza.net/my-workshop I learned long ago that working out of a tool chest was not for me. I like everything in view and easy to grab without moving anything else. For reference, my plane cabinet is about six steps from the bench, everything else no more than a dozen feet. I typically take out the tools I need for a set of tasks and put them away when done (and sweep). Once or twice over the last couple years I found it necessary to set up a small folding card table nearby if there were more required tools than open bench space, but that is extremely rare. Dennis Heyza - perhaps a bit anal in New Baltimore, Michigan -----Original Message----- From: oldtools@g... |
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276627 | cowtown_eric <ecoyle@t...> | 2022‑11‑26 | Re: unforeseen challenges |
I have used the bedside table things to great advantage over the years. Indeed exactly for what Darrly was describing-keeping the tools out of the way. I added a little shelf on top of it with a sloping top to keep stuff like everyday chisels at hand without cluttering up the assembly table Used to be able to get em from Gov't surplus for 5 bucks. Even modified one to support cabinet uppers when installing. Worked like a charm -still got it and use it. They are shaky at best, so not conducive to stable work like cutting tenons etc. Another I used to hold my little used mortice machine an immensely practical solution Eric |
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