Greetings, Galooterati.  My name is Steve Harding and I hail from Seattle,
Washington.  I'm a self-employed mechanical engineer with two nearly grown
up daughters, two less grown up cats, and a SWMBO who, ... well, more of her
later.  

I have no formal training in woodworking but a fair amount of experience
gained through low-intensity fooling around over about twenty years.  My
preference for hand tools is not due to any neo-Luddite philosophical bent,
but because I do woodworking for pleasure and listening to the dentist-drill
whine of p*wer tools and vacuum dust collection through eye, ear, and lung
protection isn't my idea of pleasure.  One of my brothers earned his
journeyman's papers as a cabinetmaker in Germany and now works here in
Seattle.  When he tells me that he hasn't hand cut a dovetail since his
apprenticeship days, I feel sorry for him.

I will probably never be in a position to gloat about a tool find, because
I'm hopelessly incompetent when it comes to wheeling and dealing, as some
members of this list can attest since they've sold to and bought from me.
They must be rubbing their palms together whenever they see me coming now.

 The only gloat I can claim is that nine years ago, I found a SWMBO who
never (well, almost never) raises so much as an eyebrow when a new tool
shows up.  Just the other day, as I got home she called to me, "Honey, look
what came in the mail.  Looks like something good for you!"  And that when
she knows how many I already have.  What a find!

I look forward to learning from all of you,

Steve

From: Esther Heller

Bugbear tells Steve:

> The only gloat I can claim is that nine years ago, I found a SWMBO who
> never (well, almost never) raises so much as an eyebrow when a new tool
> shows up.  Just the other day, as I got home she called to me, "Honey,
look
> what came in the mail.  Looks like something good for you!"  And that
when
> she knows how many I already have.  What a find!

Can I be the first to say: "you suck!"


No, rather, obviously Steve is a gentleman with discerning taste.  The
only question is does he have a single brother or cousin in the 45-55
age range....  ;-) ;-) ;-)

Stave Harding tentatively pulled up a rocker and said:

> Greetings, Galooterati.  My name is Steve Harding and I hail from Seattle,
> Washington.  I'm a self-employed mechanical engineer 

So you can fix beat up tools. That's good.

> The only gloat I can claim is that nine years ago, I found a SWMBO who
> never (well, almost never) raises so much as an eyebrow when a new tool
> shows up.  Just the other day, as I got home she called to me, "Honey, look
> what came in the mail.  Looks like something good for you!"  And that when
> she knows how many I already have.  What a find!

Can I be the first to say: "you suck!"

	BugBear

on 9/14/00 9:08 PM, esther.heller@k... at esther.heller@k...
wrote:

> 
> No, rather, obviously Steve is a gentleman with discerning taste.  The
> only question is does he have a single brother or cousin in the 45-55
> age range....  ;-) ;-) ;-)
> 


Do you mean with a Stanley plane in the 45-55 range??

Ed Minch

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Croxton Gordon wrote:

I've enjoyed lurking for several months, but
afterreading a recent reference to *pond scum*, I
thought I'dbetter introduce myself to The Porch.

Which "L" word does the "pond scum" refer to?

Fellow chairmaker and "lurker" ,
Dave Wachniski

Croxton wrote:

> [snip of interesting bio]
>
> At the end of the
> day I often clamp a piece of scrap in the
> dogs
> and take a few shavings off with each plane,
> just to shake hands and say good night.

   I don't really have much to add to that, but it was so well put
that I had to quote it.  I sometimes find myself wandering out to
the garage (shop) before bed, just to look at progress on a 
particular project.  I might just run my hands over a freshly planed
surface, or I might pick up a couple of planes and give them a few
passes on scrap just to see some fresh curlies.  Indeed it's like 
shaking hands and making sure they are safe and ready to go when I
need them next.  

> I'm sliding down the slippery slope of
> amassing
> a User Arsenal, thanks to MofA, Dave
> Wachnicki,
> Ray Larsen, The Rev Ron, and others on
> the list.  So far, I use (or plan to use, I
> promise!) whatever
> tools I buy.  

   Oh yes, I tell that to SWMBO all the time.  (But I'm starting to
think that she doesn't believe me.)  

   That was a fine introduction, Croxton.  Welcome to the porch.


      Chuck Vance (firmly in the user camp ... sort of)

Welcome Charlie,

And I'd love to hear some more about this:

At 12:25 PM 9/29/00, Charles Sharp wrote:
>    I do all kinds of woven seats & teach the craft.I have taught several
>people what I could on the furntiture building trade.I am presently teaching
>my oldest daughter & she loves it.

I recently picked up a nice chair that looks quite old with a damaged woven 
seat that looks like it is made of woven wood.  What sorts of species did 
people use and is there any way to tell by looking what I've got? The chair 
has a slat back which is pegged together so I'm guessing it is from the mid 
to late 1800s.  If I were to want to do a repair is there anything to watch 
out for?

I'm not actually ready to get to this project yet, but the chair was six 
bucks at a garage sale and obviously a nice bit of work.

Thanks and welcome again!

Mark


Mark van Roojen
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Hi Stacey;
  and welcome up to the Porch.  Look for me and
Bretton, and probably Brandon at the PNTC meeting in a
couple of weeks, and Steve Johnson, of course.  If you
meet a fellow named Birky, he's using that name in a
witness protection program and is the longest time
lurker of all, I believe. Yes, we SHOULD do a galoot
get-together in the PacNW, but not right away, please.
 There's too much on my plate to even consider such a
good time...anyhow, get yourself some sun and keep
your eye out for an empty rocker; 
                         best---GAM

--- Stacey_Darrington@l... wrote:
> 
> 
>      Ok, so like a number of others, I feel like I
> need to finally introduce
> myself. I have been here on*
 the porch since a few weeks after it began...snip
*shouldn't that read "UNDER?" 

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Welcome aboard!  Some of us are in the process of getting the material
for blades to use in framesaws.  That might be one option for you if
this is to be a one man operation.  Sounds like a big job to me though.

Jim Thompson

At 06:29 AM 7/19/01 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>Welcome aboard!

Thanks.  Good to be here.  The wreck's OK, but I don't really have time to 
go through it all.  My newsreader doesn't support filtering very well, 
other than the obligatory kill-file.  Also as I said I'm leaning more 
towards the Neander side these days.

>Some of us are in the process of getting the material
>for blades to use in framesaws.  That might be one option for you if
>this is to be a one man operation.  Sounds like a big job to me though.

Are those the steroidal band-saw blades?  Hmmm, building a pit-type frame 
might be an option, or were you thinking an oversize frame-saw?

Unrelated to this timber-harvesting my current projects are a couple of 
boxes - This-end-up type toy box and a storage box for Sam's Thomas the 
Tank Engine set.  Come to think of it, does anyone know how to make a 
storage box that expands?  He's not finished collecting the set and Brio 
keeps introducing new pieces . . .    ;-)

Marc@l...

From: Esther Heller

Marc asked:

Unrelated to this timber-harvesting my current projects are a couple of
boxes - This-end-up type toy box and a storage box for Sam's Thomas the
Tank Engine set.  Come to think of it, does anyone know how to make a
storage box that expands?  He's not finished collecting the set and Brio
keeps introducing new pieces . . .    ;-)

When you figure out the expanding box problem, publish it!!!
Plenty of adult galoots have exactly the same problem..  ;-)

The timber harvesting might be helped if you knew what you
wanted to make out of it (how thick).  Commercial bandsaws do
a nice job (I think Woodmiser is the best known, and they
supposedly have some sort of referral system to find a local
operator)  Of course their squirrels get lashed pretty hard to
run it, but the waste isn't much and they can go through an awful
lot of wood in an hour.  I watched a local galoot getting some
trees downed in a huge storm at his mom's sawn, went pretty fast.

Smaller parts of the trees make perfectly fine turning stock,
be sure to at least split them in half and coat the ends ASAP
after you drop them so they don't check.

Welcome!

Esther

If you want an expandable box just go up.  Build an expander that sits
on top of the existing box with an inner lip going into the base box.
It can be left loose or screwed on for a more permanent extension.
Start with a large low box (casters have helped the mobility of the toy
boxes in our house) then hope the kids grow faster than the box rises.
1x6 with a 1x6 inner lip offset half the depth is a reasonable size.

  Unfortunately the growth of most of the list members is likely to be
out (reducing net reach) rather than up (increased reach).

  Unless you have lots of time and a willing pittee (is that where the
word comes from?) - it seems like the logs are likely to dry and split
before you could rip them with a pit or frame saw.  I would vote for
hiring an ancient animal and plant powered (petrol Jeff) woodmizer mill
as Ester suggested.  Then use the time in less brutish pursuits. 

Steve
(Maybe still sore from bucking up a 2' diameter cedar log with a 1 man
crosscut saw)

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc@l... [mailto:Marc@listmoms.net] 

 At 06:29 AM 7/19/01 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>Welcome aboard!

>Some of us are in the process of getting the material
>for blades to use in framesaws.  That might be one option for you if
>this is to be a one man operation.  Sounds like a big job to me though.

Are those the steroidal band-saw blades?  Hmmm, building a pit-type
frame 
might be an option, or were you thinking an oversize frame-saw?

Unrelated to this timber-harvesting my current projects are a couple of 
boxes - This-end-up type toy box and a storage box for Sam's Thomas the 
Tank Engine set.  Come to think of it, does anyone know how to make a 
storage box that expands?  He's not finished collecting the set and Brio

keeps introducing new pieces . . .    ;-)

-----Original Message----- From: Marc@l...
< verbage planed away >

I've pretty much priced all the powered stuff and can't really justify it 
(there's this 80 ft oak in the back yard whose first branch is around 35 ft 
up . . .) unless I go into the business myself, P-T (pension due in 11 
years, yay).  As for the referral system I tried and it appears that the 
closest one is in E-B-F, WV (apologies to WV-ites, I think the state is 
very nice and the people the same as anywhere else).
----------------------------------------

"P-T", "E-B-F", "WV" 

	Wazzat den? 

	-Curt, applying the " ,Jeff principle" to acronyms.

At 10:25 AM 7/19/01 -0400, esther.heller@k... wrote:

>From: Esther Heller
>
>Marc asked:
>
> >Unrelated to this timber-harvesting my current projects are a couple of
> >boxes - This-end-up type toy box and a storage box for Sam's Thomas the
> >Tank Engine set.  Come to think of it, does anyone know how to make a
> >storage box that expands?  He's not finished collecting the set and Brio
> >keeps introducing new pieces . . .    ;-)
>
>
>When you figure out the expanding box problem, publish it!!!
>Plenty of adult galoots have exactly the same problem..  ;-)

Hey, I resemble that.  I'm just a kid at heart.  

Seriously, those train sets are a PITA.  Found a site that has a recipe for 
woodworking look-alikes, includind dimensions, but it's all Normite directions.

SWMBO sorta commissioned the projects - if I don't produce 'em by Christmas 
they'll be purchased . . . on our sole joint credit card, for which I'm 
responsible.  Tole' ya I'm a bottom-feeder @ heart.

>The timber harvesting might be helped if you knew what you
>wanted to make out of it (how thick).

Mmmm.  The cherry might yield a couple of pieces of structural lumber, but 
that's hardly worthwhile, izzit?  More like 
half-to-three-quarters.  Quarter-inch, possibly.

>   Commercial bandsaws do
>a nice job (I think Woodmiser is the best known, and they
>supposedly have some sort of referral system to find a local
>operator)

I've pretty much priced all the powered stuff and can't really justify it 
(there's this 80 ft oak in the back yard whose first branch is around 35 ft 
up . . .) unless I go into the business myself, P-T (pension due in 11 
years, yay).  As for the referral system I tried and it appears that the 
closest one is in E-B-F, WV (apologies to WV-ites, I think the state is 
very nice and the people the same as anywhere else).

>   Of course their squirrels get lashed pretty hard to
>run it, but the waste isn't much and they can go through an awful
>lot of wood in an hour.  I watched a local galoot getting some
>trees downed in a huge storm at his mom's sawn, went pretty fast.

Here in Arlington, VA, you don't KNOW the number of times I've driven down 
the street and seen huge oaks, hickories, whatever, being cut into 3-ft 
lengths and placed by the curb, shortly followed by a handmade sign reading 
"Free Firewood".  Urghhhh . . .  malicious thoughts . . .

>Smaller parts of the trees make perfectly fine turning stock,
>be sure to at least split them in half and coat the ends ASAP
>after you drop them so they don't check.

Roger that.  A fella mailed me off-list and offered some dire warnings 
about the speed with both species check.  I'm not a turner and he is, so 
when I drop 'em (probably this winter based on his advise) he's got dibs on 
any parts I don't have a use for.  Anything he doesn't want I'll give to 
the first taker.  Rather do that than burn 'em for firewood.

>Welcome!

Glad to be here.

Marc

Saw this somewhere, a box where the bottom layer, neatly divided for
whatever they held, latched onto another layer, also neatly divided, latched
onto another layer, also neatly divided, latched onto another layer, also
neatly divided, (you get the picture, I can stop pasting).  The latches were
like tool box latches, giving it a very old time look.  To open, just undo
four latches, lift off the layer above, until all layers are on the floor as
6" (or whatever) high boxes.  No jumble of stuff in a large box, no loss of
space due to drawer slides.  This was done with about a 16"x 20" x 6" set of
boxes.  Forget where I saw it or what was in it, but it was a few years
ago.  I've been contemplating it for a tool box, with BIG latches.

Steve Lindell wrote:

> If you want an expandable box just go up.  Build an expander that sits
> on top of the existing box with an inner lip going into the base box.
>

Marc Wrote

>  my current projects are a couple of boxes - This-end-up type toy box and
> a storage box for Sam's Thomas the
> Tank Engine set.  Come to think of it, does anyone know how to make a
> storage box that expands?  He's not finished collecting the set and Brio
> keeps introducing new pieces . . .    ;-)
>

Kirk Eppler
(650) 225-3911
Eppler.Kirk@g...

"Marc@l..." wrote:

> storage box that expands?  He's not finished collecting the set and Brio
> keeps introducing new pieces . . .    ;-)
> 

No one ever finishes collecting the set. There's always one
more "must have"

Oh, you're talking about BRIO!

Sorry, my mistake. 

	BugBear

At 02:19 PM 7/19/01 -0500, Flowers, Curt wrote:
>-----Original Message----- From: Marc@l...
>< verbage planed away >
>
>I've pretty much priced all the powered stuff and can't really justify it
>(there's this 80 ft oak in the back yard whose first branch is around 35 ft
>up . . .) unless I go into the business myself, P-T (pension due in 11
>years, yay).  As for the referral system I tried and it appears that the
>closest one is in E-B-F, WV (apologies to WV-ites, I think the state is
>very nice and the people the same as anywhere else).
>---------------------------------------
>
>         Wazzat den?

>"P-T"

Part-Time.

>, "E-B-F"

East Bug- . . .er . . rhymes with fornication.

>, "WV"

West Virginia, butt of too many jokes.

E-B-F, WV, = *severely* unsophisticated locale.  Given your location, think 
some place in rural Ohio.

>         -Curt, applying the " ,Jeff principle" to acronyms.

Marc, who has an unfortunate affinity for acronyms

At 09:16 PM 7/19/01 +0000, you wrote:
>From: "Steve Lindell" 
>To: 
>Cc: "List for users and collectors of antique  tools" 
>
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>If you want an expandable box just go up.  Build an expander that sits
>on top of the existing box with an inner lip going into the base box.
>It can be left loose or screwed on for a more permanent extension.
>Start with a large low box (casters have helped the mobility of the toy
>boxes in our house) then hope the kids grow faster than the box rises.
>1x6 with a 1x6 inner lip offset half the depth is a reasonable size.

Considering it.  Trouble is, the collection grows both ways.  The toy chest 
will be weeded ocassionally and can be of a fixed dimension, but the Thomas 
collection needs vertical and horizontal accomodation.  Up is good, 
sideways needs some thought.

>   Unfortunately the growth of most of the list members is likely to be
>out (reducing net reach) rather than up (increased reach).

I am so hated.  I graduated high school (x-th form, Jeff) @ 
6'2"/160.  Current dimensions are 6'2"/mean 160.  Plus/minus 15 lbs.  I 
know, I suck.

>   Unless you have lots of time and a willing pittee (is that where the
>word comes from?)

LOL.

>- it seems like the logs are likely to dry and split
>before you could rip them with a pit or frame saw.

That's a consideration, I'll admit.

>   I would vote for
>hiring an ancient animal and plant powered (petrol Jeff) woodmizer mill
>as Ester suggested.  Then use the time in less brutish pursuits.

Uh, I've got a 3-YO kid.  Who goes to bed around 2200  wakes up @ 
0600-0630.  I'm trying to work *off* the brutishness.  My drafting board 
has a 1:100 model of Cheops' final resting place on it. ..

>Steve
>(Maybe still sore from bucking up a 2' diameter cedar log with a 1 man
>crosscut saw)

Oooh, oooh, a fellow pain-o-phile!

Marc@l...