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270413 scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> 2020‑04‑06 Old Bony
I really enjoyed the boxwood discussion
thanks Guys

So I have an old tongue cutter. I assume 1/2 of a tongue and groove set, 
but any plow plane makes a groove. I found this years ago at a yard sale.
I never heard of the maker or even the region? Keokuk? This is a town 
somewhere?

   Anyway I always thought it was pretty cool. Anybody else have a bone 
inlaid plane?
  yours scott
http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tongueplane1.JPG
http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tongueplane2.JPG
http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tongueplane3.JPG

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270414 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2020‑04‑06 Re: Old Bony
Pretty cool Scott - does the bone look original?  I drove through Keokuk once,
college roommate lived on the IL side of the river.

Ed Minch
270415 Chuck Taylor 2020‑04‑06 Re: Old Bony
Scott,

Neat old tool! Can't help you with identifying the maker, but Keokuk is in Iowa,
on the west bank of the Mississippi River.

Cheers,
Chuck Taylor
north of Seattle USA


 On Monday, April 6, 2020, 12:52:56 PM PDT, scott grandstaff wrote: 
...
So I have an old tongue cutter. I assume 1/2 of a tongue and groove set, 
but any plow plane makes a groove. I found this years ago at a yard sale.
I never heard of the maker or even the region? Keokuk? This is a town 
somewhere?

  Anyway I always thought it was pretty cool. Anybody else have a bone 
inlaid plane?
 yours scott
http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tongueplane1.JPG
http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tongueplane2.JPG
http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tongueplane3.JPG

-- 
*******************************
    Scott Grandstaff
270416 John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> 2020‑04‑06 Re: Old Bony
Scott,

Keokuk is a small-ish City in Iowa, located where the Desmoines River joins the
Mississippi.  ( A natural spot for a city; junction of two historically
navigable rivers. )

Are you sure that’s bone and not horn?  

I started a thread a while back about an heirloom carriage-maker’s rabbet  I
have which is missing half of its sole veneer. The Porch convinced me that horn
is more likely than bone due to its properties.

John Ruth
270417 Kirk Eppler 2020‑04‑06 Re: Old Bony
According to DAT,
  S.W.&H.TUCKER/KEOKUK
The Tuckers were hardware dealers who marked planes.


So now you have to work harder to figure out who made it for them.

KE, watching the rain while on telecons for today, and sneaking into the
garage for things like superglue.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:52 PM scott grandstaff 
wrote:

> I really enjoyed the boxwood discussion
> thanks Guys
>
> So I have an old tongue cutter. I assume 1/2 of a tongue and groove set,
> but any plow plane makes a groove. I found this years ago at a yard sale.
> I never heard of the maker or even the region? Keokuk? This is a town
> somewhere?
>
>    Anyway I always thought it was pretty cool. Anybody else have a bone
> inlaid plane?
>   yours scott
>
> http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tongueplane1.JPG
>
> http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tongueplane2.JPG
>
> http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tongueplane3.JPG
>
> --
> *******************************
>     Scott Grandstaff
>     Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
>     scottg@s...
>     http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
>     http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html
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270419 Claudio DeLorenzi <claudio@d...> 2020‑04‑06 Re: Old Bony
Friends: a tiny bit of experience here....horn softens in hot water, bone
does not (at least calcified bone doesn’t but maybe some juvenile bone
tissue might be a bit flexible with heating, but basically bone doesn’t
soften much if at all unless you are chemically destroying its integrity).

You heat up some horn In hot water or steam and then you can shape it/bend
it or whatever, and then hold it in place until it “sets” (its the
‘original thermoplastic material’).

  You can fiddle with it maybe a couple of times (reheat it), but  then it
gets bad and can crack or weaken so that it’s not strong anymore (not sure
of the chemical reaction, but it  basically gets cooked? or whatever), so
you should try to hold it in the shape you want the first time around and
hold it there for at least couple days (or a week to be safe if you don’t
have extra to practice with).  You can cut the horn open and flatten a
section to make a flat part, for example, lots of things used to have horn
parts, and it can take a nice polish when dry and cured...
Cheers
Claudio
270421 Kirk Eppler 2020‑04‑06 Re: Old Bony
Sorry, got busy editing, took out the age, They started in 1852-65.  (Per a
woodward HS book of alumnus), guessing a bit based on gaps

You sure have a wide iron in there for a grooving plane, almost looks like
a jack with arms.

KE

https://books.google.com/books?id=px8WAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA295&dq=tucker+keoku
k+iowa+hardware+howard+samuel+tucker&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved
=2ahUKEwjb-fPX4tToAhWdFjQIHSJSCdgQ6AEwA3oECAMQAg">https://books.google.com/books
?id=px8WAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA295&dq=tucker+keokuk+iowa+hardware+howard+samuel+tucker&hl
=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjb-
fPX4tToAhWdFjQIHSJSCdgQ6AEwA3oECAMQAg

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 2:28 PM Kirk Eppler  wrote:

> According to DAT,
>   S.W.&H.TUCKER/KEOKUK
> The Tuckers were hardware dealers who marked planes.
>
>
> So now you have to work harder to figure out who made it for them.
>
> KE, watching the rain while on telecons for today, and sneaking into the
> garage for things like superglue.
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:52 PM scott grandstaff 
> wrote:
>
>> I really enjoyed the boxwood discussion
>> thanks Guys
>>
>> So I have an old tongue cutter. I assume 1/2 of a tongue and groove set,
>> but any plow plane makes a groove. I found this years ago at a yard sale.
>> I never heard of the maker or even the region? Keokuk? This is a town
>> somewhere?
>>
>>    Anyway I always thought it was pretty cool. Anybody else have a bone
>> inlaid plane?
>>   yours scott
>>
>> http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tongueplane1.JPG
>>
>> http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tongueplane2.JPG
>>
>> http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tongueplane3.JPG
>>
>> --
>> *******************************
>>     Scott Grandstaff
>>     Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
>>     scottg@s...
>>     http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
>>     http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html
>>
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270423 Kirk Eppler 2020‑04‑06 Re: Old Bony
Scott

Just did a quick perusal through Sandusky, Sargent, Auburn and Ohio Tools
catalogs, and none of them are as old as 1865.  All of them only show the
grooving plane of the match plane sets.  None mention horn or bone, so
wondering if it's a user add on.

Sandusky 1869 - 1926
Ohio Tool  1823 - 1920
Sargent 1855 - 1970
Auburn 1864 - 1893

Here is a typical listing, this from Ohio, in 1910.

https://archive.org/details/ohiotoolcocatalogpgs3142/page/n5/mode/2up

KE

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 2:45 PM Kirk Eppler  wrote:

> Sorry, got busy editing, took out the age, They started in 1852-65.  (Per
> a woodward HS book of alumnus), guessing a bit based on gaps
>
> You sure have a wide iron in there for a grooving plane, almost looks like
> a jack with arms.
>
> KE
>
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=px8WAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA295&dq=tucker+keo
kuk+iowa+hardware+howard+samuel+tucker&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved
=2ahUKEwjb-fPX4tToAhWdFjQIHSJSCdgQ6AEwA3oECAMQAg">https://books.google.com/books
?id=px8WAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA295&dq=tucker+keokuk+iowa+hardware+howard+samuel+tucker&hl
=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjb-
fPX4tToAhWdFjQIHSJSCdgQ6AEwA3oECAMQAg
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 2:28 PM Kirk Eppler  wrote:
>
>> According to DAT,
>>   S.W.&H.TUCKER/KEOKUK
>> The Tuckers were hardware dealers who marked planes.
>>
>>
>> So now you have to work harder to figure out who made it for them.
>>
>> KE, watching the rain while on telecons for today, and sneaking into the
>> garage for things like superglue.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:52 PM scott grandstaff 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I really enjoyed the boxwood discussion
>>> thanks Guys
>>>
>>> So I have an old tongue cutter. I assume 1/2 of a tongue and groove set,
>>> but any plow plane makes a groove. I found this years ago at a yard sale.
>>> I never heard of the maker or even the region? Keokuk? This is a town
>>> somewhere?
>>>
>>>    Anyway I always thought it was pretty cool. Anybody else have a bone
>>> inlaid plane?
>>>   yours scott
>>>
>>> http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tongue
plane1.JPG">http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tonguep
lane1.JPG
>>>
>>> http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tongue
plane2.JPG">http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tonguep
lane2.JPG
>>>
>>> http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tongue
plane3.JPG">http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tonguep
lane3.JPG
>>>
>>> --
>>> *******************************
>>>     Scott Grandstaff
>>>     Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
>>>     scottg@s...
>>>     http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
>>>     http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kirk Eppler
>> Principal Engineer
>> PP&TD
>> eppler.kirk@g...
>> 650 225-3911
>>
>
>
> --
> Kirk Eppler
> Principal Engineer
> PP&TD
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>


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PP&TD
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270450 don schwartz <dks@t...> 2020‑04‑08 Re: Old Bony
On 2020-04-06 1:52 p.m., scott grandstaff wrote:
> I really enjoyed the boxwood discussion
> thanks Guys
>
> So I have an old tongue cutter. I assume 1/2 of a tongue and groove 
> set, but any plow plane makes a groove. I found this years ago at a 
> yard sale.
> I never heard of the maker or even the region? Keokuk? This is a town 
> somewhere?
>
>   Anyway I always thought it was pretty cool. Anybody else have a bone 
> inlaid plane?
>  yours scott
> http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tongueplane1.JPG 
>
> http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tongueplane2.JPG 
>
> http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tongueplane3.JPG 
>
>
Hey Scott

Interesting plane there. I keep looking at it & wondering...

I've never seen a T&G plane that wide. And I can't see why it has such a 
wide blade for such a narrow job. Do you suppose somebody took a garden 
variety bench plane and converted it for a special purpose plane, inlay 
and all?

Don, enjoying the quiet, but not the snow!

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270454 scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> 2020‑04‑08 Re: Old Bony
I can't see why it has such a wide blade for such a narrow job.

Theories
The plane is truly gigantic for a tongue plane
It cuts a 3/8" X 5/8"  tongue onto ~1 3/4" stock.

    I don't think this was a home shop or even a one man custom 
furniture shop tool.
  I think this one was industrial.
   In industry there are always certain jobs that really suck. And if 
you work there long enough and have to do that job often, a custom tool 
-will- be made.

I must have made 10 custom tools for Noranda Gray Eagle mine. You just 
get tired of doing things the hard way.   (Wait until I'm good and dead, 
and mine is closed down, and a couple generations go by. Any of those 
tools that survive? Nobody will know what 'n hell I was thinkin! hahahaaah)

   So I expect this plane was for maybe an upright grand piano factory 
or maybe something to with fancy railroad cars? Elaborate bars or churches?
Keokuk is right on the river. So river steamer parts might have even 
been the need!!
Whatever it was, overlarge pieces of stock needed to be 
joined................ frequently.

   The plane is very well made. Since it has a hardware store mark I am 
guessing a custom order.  I wonder if Sandusky (not far away) had a 
custom shop? Where you could order "off the menu" tools?
Or one of the other big planemakers where you could order something 
special?

   A local craftsman of expert skill could have been enlisted, but the 
arms and screws do not look casual.
  http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tongueplane5.JPG

  I'm sure the bone lining was all about "the last one didn't last long 
enough, this time we are making sure it holds up"
  And man they weren't kidding! Look how much bone there is. Even the 
top of the tongue is paved in bone.

http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tongueplane4.JPG

So again custom factory plane shop,
or maybe ordered from the factory plain, and then locally inlaid after 
the plane was made?

The bone pieces themselves are huge. Solid straight workable bone is 
hard to get this big.
     yours scott



-- 
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    Scott Grandstaff
    Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
    scottg@s...
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html
270455 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2020‑04‑08 Re: Old Bony
Could have been a standard filester plane modified at point of use

Ed Minch
270456 scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> 2020‑04‑08 Re: Old Bony
> Ed sez
> Could have been a standard filester plane modified at point of use

Neither side of the plane body is open. The throat was chopped from solid.
It "never cut a rabbet, ain't no friend of mine" hahaah
  S


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    Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
    scottg@s...
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html
270457 John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> 2020‑04‑08 Re: Old Bony
Scott,

SWAG, which has probably already occurred to you:  tongue and grove on heavy
wooden flooring for which no pre-milled T&G was available.

As you’ve inferred, it has to be for an extensive, repetitive task on thick
stock.

Think of riven (split-out) or crudely-sawn (pit-sawn?) boards, planed on the top
surface, then T&G’d by hand.  The bottoms of the boards won’t rest equally on
the beams until the carpenter cuts a dado across each board in way of the beams,
usually with a lipped adze.

Or, it could be for working on boards with ingrained abrasives, like Teak.

John Ruth
270460 Claudio DeLorenzi <claudio@d...> 2020‑04‑08 Re: Old Bony
Holy Crap Scott, sure that isn’t IVORY?  Can you check with a hand lens?
Claudio

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 10:43 AM scott grandstaff 
wrote:
270463 "Ed O'" <edo@e...> 2020‑04‑08 Re: Old Bony
I sent a reply to this earlier, but it appears to have gotten lost.

Wide jack plane size tongue & groove planes are plank match planes.  Normal
molding plane size t&g planes are board match planes.

If you google Chapin plank match plane you will see some examples, or just plank
match plane.

The wear strips look like regular cow bone to me.  It does not have the visual
characteristics that would make me think ivory or even whale bone.

I see this form  with some regularity around the North East and always kind of
assumed that they were used in some aspect of boat building.  In looking at
Whelan's The Wooden Plane book I see no mention of this though.    Just for
thick stock.

Ed O'

-----Original Message-----
From: OldTools [mailto:oldtools-bounces@s...] On Behalf Of Claudio DeLorenzi
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 1:03 PM
To: scottg@s...
Cc: porch 
Subject: Re: [OldTools] Old Bony

Holy Crap Scott, sure that isn’t IVORY?  Can you check with a hand lens?
Claudio

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 10:43 AM scott grandstaff 
wrote:

> ?
>
>    A local craftsman of expert skill could have been enlisted, but the 
> arms and screws do not look casual.
>
> http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tonguepla
> ne5.JPG
>
>   I'm sure the bone lining was all about "the last one didn't last 
> long enough, this time we are making sure it holds up"
>   And man they weren't kidding! Look how much bone there is. Even the 
> top of the tongue is paved in bone.
>
>
> http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tonguepla
> ne4.JPG
>
> So again custom factory plane shop,
> or maybe ordered from the factory plain, and then locally inlaid after 
> the plane was made?
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270464 don schwartz <dks@t...> 2020‑04‑08 Re: Old Bony
Considering your location Scott, might it have been used in preparing 
planks for shoring up a mine?

Another application could be flooring in a factory or grain elevator 
maybe, someplace where they wanted to prevent dust or whatever falling 
through the cracks.
FWIW

Don, tired from ordering groceries and such on-line...
I thought these pesky computer toolss were meant to make jobs quick and 
easy! (Off-topic rant off )


On 2020-04-08 2:46 p.m., Ed O' wrote:
> I sent a reply to this earlier, but it appears to have gotten lost.
>
> Wide jack plane size tongue & groove planes are plank match planes.  Normal
molding plane size t&g planes are board match planes.
>
> If you google Chapin plank match plane you will see some examples, or just
plank match plane.
>
> The wear strips look like regular cow bone to me.  It does not have the visual
characteristics that would make me think ivory or even whale bone.
>
> I see this form  with some regularity around the North East and always kind of
assumed that they were used in some aspect of boat building.  In looking at
Whelan's The Wooden Plane book I see no mention of this though.    Just for
thick stock.
>
> Ed O'
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: OldTools [mailto:oldtools-bounces@s...] On Behalf Of Claudio DeLorenzi
> Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 1:03 PM
> To: scottg@s...
> Cc: porch 
> Subject: Re: [OldTools] Old Bony
>
> Holy Crap Scott, sure that isn’t IVORY?  Can you check with a hand lens?
> Claudio
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 10:43 AM scott grandstaff 
> wrote:
>
>> ?
>>
>>     A local craftsman of expert skill could have been enlisted, but the
>> arms and screws do not look casual.
>>
>> http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tonguepla
>> ne5.JPG
>>
>>    I'm sure the bone lining was all about "the last one didn't last
>> long enough, this time we are making sure it holds up"
>>    And man they weren't kidding! Look how much bone there is. Even the
>> top of the tongue is paved in bone.
>>
>>
>> http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/tonguepla
>> ne4.JPG
>>
>> So again custom factory plane shop,
>> or maybe ordered from the factory plain, and then locally inlaid after
>> the plane was made?

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the fear of the unknown." -Jed Dorsheimer
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270465 scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> 2020‑04‑08 Re: Old Bony
Hey Ed!! Thanks for the clue!
  Yup, there can be no doubt what it is. Not off the menu at all!
Its just rare to see anything like this locally.

Not a chance of a grain elevator within 200 miles.  Rocky soil, steep 
mountain country has few opportunities to grow a big crop of grain.
         I am wondering though. The mine aspect sounds good.

  I wonder if the plane was about jointing planks for mining flumes. 
They built sometimes impressive channels, miles of ditching and large 
wooden flumes to cross the deep places.
To bring in water for placer mining.

There is an old mine downriver from me that was all done by hand.
Just walking through it makes you feel like an ant!   There are 
literally miles of ditches fanning out, bringing several creeks into play.
   A large flume would need a way to keep water from gushing out the 
bottom of it?

Still no idea what it was boned.
And it does appear to be bone from the grain. Ivory might put it in the 
jeweler category? haahah

I once saw for sale, (but they wanted too much), a jointer plane at 
least 5' long.
Not a coopers tool, this one was too narrow (about 2 1/2" blade maybe) 
and had a tote on it.
Asking around that time it was John Walters who identified it as a tank 
jointer.
We had lots of sometimes sizeable redwood water tanks that were built on 
the spot.
  Holding water for mining tactics. Seemed perfectly logical the minute 
he said it.

I wouldn't be surprised to find flume planks were also being jointed.

Yeah the Klamath river valley was once touted as "A million dollars a 
mile!"
(when gold was 20 dollars an ounce)   They said some places they picked 
it up like berries in a patch.

The county courthouse used to have a fantastic display of nuggets the 
size of your hand and goose eggs etc,...........plus pans, boxes and 2 
gallon buckets full of smaller gold nuggets.

Sadly a few years back some guys broke in (next door to the police 
station with patrol cars parked all around??) and stole it.
The "thieves" were quickly caught, but no gold was ever recovered.
   yours scott

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270468 don schwartz <dks@t...> 2020‑04‑09 Re: Old Bony
Got off my duff and had a look at Sellens' "Woodworking Planes"

He lists the following which seems a good match for Old Bony.
"Match Planes, moving fnce. These planes have a movable fence attached 
to the sole with two recessed -head screws working in a slot in the same 
manner as the common filletster. They were available with and without 
plating." The illustrations for that item show one with a wide iron, 
like that of a bench plane., another with a narrow blade like a fillister.

He also lists these:
"Match planes, plank. Length 14-15 inches, size for 1, 1-1/4, 1-1/2, 2 
inch stock thickness. These planes were available plated and with box 
strips. "
The illustrations show a pair of planes, one with a fixed fence and wide 
bench-plane type of iron, the other a narrow plough-like skated iron.

FWIW
Don


On 2020-04-08 5:10 p.m., scott grandstaff wrote:
>
> Hey Ed!! Thanks for the clue!
>  Yup, there can be no doubt what it is. Not off the menu at all!
> Its just rare to see anything like this locally.
>
> Not a chance of a grain elevator within 200 miles.  Rocky soil, steep 
> mountain country has few opportunities to grow a big crop of grain.
>         I am wondering though. The mine aspect sounds good.
>
>  I wonder if the plane was about jointing planks for mining flumes. 
> They built sometimes impressive channels, miles of ditching and large 
> wooden flumes to cross the deep places.
> To bring in water for placer mining.
>
> There is an old mine downriver from me that was all done by hand.
> Just walking through it makes you feel like an ant!   There are 
> literally miles of ditches fanning out, bringing several creeks into 
> play.
>   A large flume would need a way to keep water from gushing out the 
> bottom of it?
>
> Still no idea what it was boned.
> And it does appear to be bone from the grain. Ivory might put it in 
> the jeweler category? haahah
>
> I once saw for sale, (but they wanted too much), a jointer plane at 
> least 5' long.
> Not a coopers tool, this one was too narrow (about 2 1/2" blade maybe) 
> and had a tote on it.
> Asking around that time it was John Walters who identified it as a 
> tank jointer.
> We had lots of sometimes sizeable redwood water tanks that were built 
> on the spot.
>  Holding water for mining tactics. Seemed perfectly logical the minute 
> he said it.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised to find flume planks were also being jointed.
>
> Yeah the Klamath river valley was once touted as "A million dollars a 
> mile!"
> (when gold was 20 dollars an ounce)   They said some places they 
> picked it up like berries in a patch.
>
> The county courthouse used to have a fantastic display of nuggets the 
> size of your hand and goose eggs etc,...........plus pans, boxes and 2 
> gallon buckets full of smaller gold nuggets.
>
> Sadly a few years back some guys broke in (next door to the police 
> station with patrol cars parked all around??) and stole it.
> The "thieves" were quickly caught, but no gold was ever recovered.
>   yours scott
>

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