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266710 James DUPRIE <j.duprie@c...> 2018‑10‑07 no power shop build update...
so, as I thought, framing without power is pretty easy. A 2x4 takes between 10
and 20 strokes to cut. Driving nails by hand is nothing new, so the lack of nail
guns doesn't really count for me....

Stapling up over 4,000 SF of insulation (walls and ceiling) DOES make the idea
of an electric stapler seem appealing, but in all honesty, it isn't that big a
deal. Instead of squeezing the stapler, I use my whole body and sort of lean
into it to push the lever down. 1/2" staples (I don't know how many thousand,
but a lot) go in easy - especially if you avoid the knots in the 2x studs...

I have another couple weeks before I start putting up the OSB (yeah, I decided
to go with OSB. Cheaper than drywall, and I find it more forgiving to work
with), and I'll have to use screws on at least the ceiling (I'll probably nail
the walls). I may end up waiting for power to do the ceiling because even with a
drywall lift, I expect it to be a major PITA, and a screw gun is easier and
quicker for me at that angle (I'll also be about 13' above the floor...)

I'm still up in the air on the concrete sealer. TONS of great info from the
porch... A penetrating sealer needs the concrete to cure for at least a month.
the way things are playing out I may still have a more or less empty shop at
that point. If I do, I'll use the penetrating sealer I already have, but will
probably hit some of the high traffic areas with "floor paint". I'll definitely
be getting some sort of floor mats for the places I spend a lot of time. With
radiant heat, I'm leaning towards the open mesh type, but the foamy 'jigsaw
squares' are cost effective, and super comfortable (and if I'm willing to accept
nursery type patterns, I can get them for almost nothing on craigslist...). In
any case, I have time before I need to decide that.....

Hopefully, this week I'll finish the framing, get the plumbing roughed in
(toilet, shower and sink), finish the electrical rough in, and get that
inspection done.....Still waiting on getting the well connected, and (obviously)
power....

Updates as they occur....
-J
266711 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2018‑10‑07 Re: no power shop build update...
> On Oct 7, 2018, at 8:40 AM, James DUPRIE  wrote:
> 
> Stapling up over 4,000 SF of insulation (walls and ceiling) DOES make the idea
of an electric stapler seem appealing, but in all honesty, it isn't that big a
deal. Instead of squeezing the stapler, I use my whole body and sort of lean
into it to push the lever down. 1/2" staples (I don't know how many thousand,
but a lot) go in easy - especially if you avoid the knots in the 2x studs...


This has been the insulator’s weapon of choice for the 38 years I have been in
the industry:

https://w
ww.acehardware.com/departments/tools/fastening-tools/staplers/2381374?x429=true&
utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=Cj0KCQjw3ebdBRC1ARIsAD8U0V73b7mkbpQcjOtEE
CW0DblBzmAa3-xMpxCP3DBvEnSapGtHsT3DPNcaAj8wEALw_wcB <https://www.
acehardware.com/departments/tools/fastening-tools/staplers/2381374?x429=true&utm
_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=Cj0KCQjw3ebdBRC1ARIsAD8U0V73b7mkbpQcjOtEECW0
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There are many version of this tool, some more durable than this one, but for
you one-building job, this one is lightweight and sturdy enough.  Squeezing a
stapler for 3 days is about the least desirable thing I can think of (besides 2
simultaneous broken legs).

Ed
266712 Phil Schempf <philschempf@g...> 2018‑10‑07 Re: no power shop build update...
Yup - a whacker tacker was the first implement that came to mind.  I think
mine is a Bostitch.  Maybe not as accurate as a hand stapler, but much
easier to use and how accurate do you need to be to hang insulation
anyhow?  This isn't for the Wimbledon Cup.

Phil
266714 Paul Drake <bdbafh@g...> 2018‑10‑07 Re: no power shop build update...
I thought that Arrow made the quintessential hammer tracker. But I haven't
felted a roof in decades.
266718 bridger@b... 2018‑10‑07 Re: no power shop build update...
On 2018-10-07 11:17, Paul Drake wrote:
> I thought that Arrow made the quintessential hammer tracker. But I 
> haven't
> felted a roof in decades.
> 


It seemed to me (back in the days when that was a regular part of my 
work) that crews would line up by the arrow / bostitch divide. We were 
an arrow crew and i was mightily impressed by the solidity and quality 
of all that chromed steel. Every once in a while though i'd sneak in an 
admiration for the nimble orange things i'd see on other jobs....
266720 "Adam R. Maxwell via OldTools" <oldtools@s...> 2018‑10‑07 Re: no power shop build update...
> On Oct 7, 2018, at 10:47 , bridger@b... wrote:
> 
> On 2018-10-07 11:17, Paul Drake wrote:
>> I thought that Arrow made the quintessential hammer tracker. But I haven't
>> felted a roof in decades.
> 
> 
> It seemed to me (back in the days when that was a regular part of my work)
that crews would line up by the arrow / bostitch divide. We were an arrow crew
and i was mightily impressed by the solidity and quality of all that chromed
steel.

We used our framing contractor's Arrow hammer tacker 30 years ago for Tyvek on
my parents' house, and it was great. On the strength of that, I bought a new one
last year from the Orange Borg, and it was junk; the plunger kept falling out,
along with all the staples, which would then slide off the roof to the ground.
Words were said.

I complained about this on twitter, as one does, and Arrow sent me a replacement
for free that worked perfectly. On close comparison, the leaf spring for the
plunger catch on my first one was broken; improper heat treatment seems a likely
cause. Someday I may get around to repairing the first one, if I can make a new
spring and re-rivet it.

Obligatory oldtools content: I sharpened one of my go-to handsaws last week for
the first time in a few years, and was pleased at how much better it cut. I was
displeased that it took three tries to get the teeth set right, since I'm out of
practice.

Adam
266722 John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> 2018‑10‑08 Re: no power shop build update...
GG’s

Does anyone on the Porch have extensive experience with the Arrow Powershot
“forward action” stapler?  This stapler is designed to be pushed rather than
squeezed.

Mandatory Old Tools content: bought a Duo-Fast HT-550 at a Flea Mkt. Did not
realize until I got it home that the staple magazine “pusher” is completely
absent.

This thread just prompted me to make a trip downstairs to the shop and 

Sent from my iPhone
266724 James DUPRIE <j.duprie@c...> 2018‑10‑08 Re: no power shop build update...
I'm an arrow guy,. but just because thats what I've used all my life... I've
looked at some of the others, and they're nice, but the drawer full of different
staples and staplers I already have make moving to a new brand hard. So, unless
there is a major improvement, it'll be arrow..

-j
266727 scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> 2018‑10‑08 Re: no power shop build update...
10 to 20 strokes through a 2X4 means your saw is dull.
  Take the time to tune it up and do it in 4.
A full sized crosscut in prime condition can do it in 3.

They called us wood butchers partly because it happened fast.

6 to 8" a stroke ripping 1X pine. fast

I happened to catch last years international logging competition on TV
    There were couple of Americans in the 2 man crosscut event.
  These boys were big. They had obviously been pumping iron forever.
  When the whistle blew those men went ballistic.
  Whipping that saw back and forth as fast as you could watch.

But then came the top Aussies.
Instead of pumping iron these boys had used their time differently. They 
unpacked a truly prime saw, gleaming in the sun.
  When the whistle blew they commenced to take absolutely full strokes. 
At about 1/4 as fast as the Americans.
      But -------cups------- of chips fell with every stroke.

   There was no contest at all. They won by almost 1/3 as much time, and 
they weren't huffing like marathon runners either.
    yours scott

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266728 bridger@b... 2018‑10‑08 Re: no power shop build update...
me too.
the bostitch uses a smaller wire size staple, so there can be more of 
them in the tool/ the tool can be smaller and lighter. thus the nimble 
comment.

Bridger, who has a dozen or so arrow tools  and aint changing this late 
in the game....
266731 James DUPRIE <j.duprie@c...> 2018‑10‑09 Re: no power shop build update...
I've actually been contemplating doing exactly that. For some reason, I never
got into saw sharpening, but it is on my list of things to look up... I know
I'll need a file and a saw set, but I want to do a bit of reading before I buy.
All I need is more time....

And I've got to wonder how a sharp saw will do cutting through modern sheet
goods (OSB and Advantec). From what I've seen, Advantec is really tough on
edges...

-J
266765 Michael Suwczinsky <nicknaylo@g...> 2018‑10‑13 Re: no power shop build update...
On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 9:46 PM John Ruth  wrote:

> GG’s

Does anyone on the Porch have extensive experience with the Arrow Powershot
“forward action” stapler?  This stapler is designed to be pushed rather
than squeezed.

Yes, the Powershot is my go to stapler precisely for the push not squeeze
action. The staple exits at the very front of the tool, the push action is
right in line with the staple exit point and you can put shoulder weight
behind it. It’s very accurate even if you don’t need the accuracy.
Powershot also takes brads! Little 3/8 or 1/2 inch brads that have come in
so handy over the years!
Michael

> --
Michael
266769 Nathan Goodwin <hiscarpentry@g...> 2018‑10‑13 Re: no power shop build update...
I like the powershot, I've been using one for quite a few years. It's
ergonomically better for my hands. Which I need to pay attention to because of
elbow and wrist pain.

Nathan Goodwin 
H.I.S. Carpentry 
Honesty. Integrity. Service.
(617)347-6744
Blog: https://hiscarpentryblog
.wordpress.com/
266771 scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> 2018‑10‑13 Re: power shot stapler
I don't know if the newer Power Shot is as good as the original, but the 
old one is enormously better than the standard Arrow T-50, for me.
   The action lets you throw your body weight onto the equation, instead 
of heavy squeezing your hand for every staple,
  and I am not shy on body weight these days. lol
yours scott

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    Scott Grandstaff
    Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
    scottg@s...
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et/kitty/sgrandstaff/
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est.net/kitty/hpages/index.html

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