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266015 | Erik Levin | 2018‑06‑16 | I have seen this before, but I can't identify it |
I know (or think I do) that I have seen this before, but I can find nothing after a number of hours searching on line. I picked the tool up at a yard sale (no, I can not drive by one without stopping). At first glance, in a box of junk, I thought it was a saw wrest, as all I saw peeking out was a handle and slots on the end. When I picked it up, the deja vu hit. It, in some ways, reminds me of a clamp used when drawing skins, but for the slots and holes. They are reminiscent of horology tools, or maybe jewelers tools. But I just can't find it. End to end is about 130mm. Width of the jaws is 42mm. Thickness of each jaw is 3mm. The holes are 1.49mm, 1.62mm, 1.83mm, 2.13mm, 2.34mm, 2.56mm, 2.81mm, 3.04mm, and 3.21mm. They are not measurably tapered, and line up moderately well between the jaws, but the axes are not quite parallel. The slots are 0.65mm, 0.85mm, 0.85mm (two of these), 1.05mm, and 1.45mm. The slots are about 1.7mm deep. The notch in the inside of the handle is in the form of a tapered dovetail, though it may not have been originally, and is 3.9mm wide at the narrow end at the surface, 4.5 at the wide end, 1.5mm deep, and I can't get a reasonable measure of the widths at the bottom. When closed, the jaw faces fit neatly with no perceptible gap. When I grab a 0.2mm thick feeler in them, there is clear contact near the pivot and I can fit another 0.15mm feeler in at the wide end. It would appear that the faces are quite parallel when the jaws are closed. The ring over the handles clamps the tool well when drawn out. The touchmark is a bird (dove?) about 2.75mm tall and 3.5mm wide. It was made in france. Images: https://s25.postimg.cc/p5uw6tyof/mystery_tool_showing_jaws.png https://s25.postimg.cc/ydn4niy0v/mystery_tool_touchmark_side_closed.png https://s25.postimg.cc/o4z8vqhfz/mystery_tool_touchmark_side_open.png https://s25.postimg.cc/duwtwhjun/mystery_tool_oblique.png https://s25.postimg.cc/vjjza28pb/touchmark_logo_1_2.75mm_X3.5mm.png https://s25.postimg.cc/ydn4niilb/touchmark_logo_2_2.75mm_X3.5mm.png https://s25.postimg.cc/yqeitp8kv/touchmark_france_impression_9mm_X1.75mm.png Watch or clock tool? Clamp for drawing skins? Something else completely? *** This message was sent from a convenience email service, and the reply address(es) may not match the originating address |
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266016 | Peter McBride <peter_mcbride@b...> | 2018‑06‑16 | Re: I have seen this before, but I can't identify it |
Eric, They are are hand vice for broaching (reaming) the hole in watch hands to size. I’ve a couple in a draw next to my bench. I use them to hold long, say 40mm plus, pieces of gold or platinum as I saw or file. Cheers, Peter In Main Ridge, Vic Australia |
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266017 | Erik Levin | 2018‑06‑17 | Re: I have seen this before, but I can't identify it |
On Saturday, June 16, 2018, 7:43:32 PM EDT, Peter McBride |
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266023 | <ecoyle@t...> | 2018‑06‑18 | Re: I have seen this before, but I can't identify it |
It has been suggested that this apparatus was for broaching clock hands, and well they may be used for that by some, it seems Peter does. But to me they are jewellers draw pliers =quite similar to those illustrated in https://www.google.com/search?q=jewellers+draw+pliers&client=firefox-b& sa=X&biw=1344&bih=728&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=8OGEBvLUEouVuM%253A %252CuJeQH-QogqlPCM%252C_&usg=__TNCCD_WU2ZE0JaeCkFUVe2H6yZE%3D&ved=0ahUKEwib_uSE htzbAhXMHzQIHdMRBtIQ9QEIOjAD#imgrc=8OGEBvLUEouVuM:">https://www.google.com/searc h?q=jewellers+draw+pliers&client=firefox-b&sa=X&biw=1344&bih=728&tbm=isch&source =iu&ictx=1&fir=8OGEBvLUEouVuM%253A%252CuJeQH-QogqlPCM%252C_&usg=__TNCCD_WU2ZE0Ja eCkFUVe2H6yZE%3D&ved=0ahUKEwib_uSEhtzbAhXMHzQIHdMRBtIQ9QEIOjAD#imgrc=8OGEBvLUEou VuM: So that is my vote.If I had to broach clock hands, I’d be using a much lighter tool They were used in my limited experience to draw wire through a “ draw plate” to reduce it to size needed. To my mind, even though it could be used to hold clock hands, it’s a little too cumbersome for that delicate task You will notice that this one has the slide to allow it to get a good hold on the wire when tapped by a mallet, but doesn’t have the hooked hand to allow a more positive grip as shown in the google images. If any of you other tool junkies need to find another slippery slope, find yer local Jewelers supply shop, but I’d stronglys advise leaving yer wallet at home for the first visit! DAMHIK, and if swmbo goes with you they typically have lots of gems on display, but that might be OK as It would be a reason to buy MORE TOOLS! Sorry for the post but do completely grok the ‘nuther slipppery slope” warning Eric in Calgary |
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266026 | Peter McBride <peter_mcbride@b...> | 2018‑06‑19 | Re: I have seen this before, but I can't identify it |
What would be the value in a wide jaw plier for drawing wire? It is counter to all that is right in the world of levers and pivots. If you try and clamp a wire in the far end of those, you would have a useless grip on the wire. Like trying to clamp a block of wood in the far end of a vice, as far from the center as you can put it ... for absolutely no good reason. Much the same as lifting a heavy object with you arms out stretched .. for no good reason. Wide jaw, locking type hand clamps have their uses .... and you could use them as a hammer if thought it was appropriate BUT... These are two different animals. The person selling the ones you linked too on epay, redrooster tools, doesn't know his backside from his elbow. BTW if you scroll down the page you linked, you will find a couple of pictures of my draw tongs from my webpage! https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.petermcbride.com% 2Fjewellery_tools%2Fdraw%2520bench001.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.petermcbrid e.com%2Fjewellery_tools%2F&docid=ct0WJHlofm9i_M&tbnid=2F3QnYVd3wVTmM%3A&vet=10ah UKEwi3wpzYvd7bAhXLJZQKHaylDfYQMwhhKB8wHw..i&w=640&h=480&client=firefox-b&bih=700 &biw=1536&q=jewellers%20draw%20pliers&ved=0ahUKEwi3wpzYvd7bAhXLJZQKHaylDfYQMwhhK B8wHw&iact=mrc&uact=8">https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pet ermcbride.com%2Fjewellery_tools%2Fdraw%2520bench001.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fw ww.petermcbride.com%2Fjewellery_tools%2F&docid=ct0WJHlofm9i_M&tbnid=2F3QnYVd3wVT mM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwi3wpzYvd7bAhXLJZQKHaylDfYQMwhhKB8wHw..i&w=640&h=480&client=fir efox-b&bih=700&biw=1536&q=jewellers%20draw%20pliers&ved=0ahUKEwi3wpzYvd7bAhXLJZQ KHaylDfYQMwhhKB8wHw&iact=mrc&uact=8 https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.petermcbride.com% 2Fjewellery_tools%2Fdraw%2520tongs01.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.petermcbride .com%2Fjewellery_tools%2F&docid=ct0WJHlofm9i_M&tbnid=TdnjL-kz0EqWjM%3A&vet=12ahU KEwjE8bPlv97bAhWOEqYKHS4pCsc4ZBAzKAgwCHoECAEQCQ..i&w=640&h=480&client=firefox-b& bih=700&biw=1536&q=jewellers%20draw%20pliers&ved=2ahUKEwjE8bPlv97bAhWOEqYKHS4pCs c4ZBAzKAgwCHoECAEQCQ&iact=mrc&uact=8">https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http% 3A%2F%2Fwww.petermcbride.com%2Fjewellery_tools%2Fdraw%2520tongs01.jpg&imgrefurl= http%3A%2F%2Fwww.petermcbride.com%2Fjewellery_tools%2F&docid=ct0WJHlofm9i_M&tbni d=TdnjL-kz0EqWjM%3A&vet=12ahUKEwjE8bPlv97bAhWOEqYKHS4pCsc4ZBAzKAgwCHoECAEQCQ..i& w=640&h=480&client=firefox-b&bih=700&biw=1536&q=jewellers%20draw%20pliers&ved=2a hUKEwjE8bPlv97bAhWOEqYKHS4pCsc4ZBAzKAgwCHoECAEQCQ&iact=mrc&uact=8 In my pictures below, the right angle bent set are for hand drawing wire (and polished by 45 years of use and maybe drawing in excess of 1000 miles of wire), and the 3 hooked handle type for use in a machine. The small box jointed ones ARE made for broaching watch hands, and for holding other small items, and the large ones ARE for drawing wire. http://www.petermcbride.com/temp/images1/draw_tongs.jpg http://www.petermcbride.com/temp/images1/broach.JPG Peter |
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