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265991 | Christopher Dunn <christopherdunn123@g...> | 2018‑06‑08 | Using a lock mortise or swans neck chisel |
Galoots I've got some deep blind mortises and I'd like to clean up the bottoms. You're probably thinking that nobody will ever see the bottoms so why bother? I'm not sure I can sleep soundly knowing my mortise bottoms are unkempt (dirty clothes all over the place, that's fine, but unkempt mortise bottoms are certainly not). So I bought a lock mortise (or swans neck) chisel. I figured, how hard can it be? It's got an end that will cut me, and an end that won't. Apparently it's pretty hard cause I can't figure out how to use it!!!! So how do you use it? Do you hold the handle with two hands and dig with it? Is the curved part for prying? Do you hit it with a mallet? The handle doesn't have any dents in it, so the previous owner didn't hit it with a mallet. Or perhaps they were as stumped as I am and set it on a shelf? Confused, Chris |
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265992 | Bill Ghio <bghio@m...> | 2018‑06‑08 | Re: Using a lock mortise or swans neck chisel |
Sent from my iPad > On Jun 7, 2018, at 7:30 PM, Christopher Dunn |
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265993 | "John M Johnston (jmjhnstn)" <jmjhnstn@m...> | 2018‑06‑08 | Re: Using a lock mortise or swans neck chisel |
As for sharpening, see Lee’s book on sharpening. Also, Mike Wenzloff writes this: Due to the shape of what would be called the bevel, they are easiest to sharpen either with the side of a grinding wheel (light pressure) or by using a stone set near the edge of the bench and the chisel's "bevel" oriented so the handle is over the edge. A swan neck chisel (or, lock mortise chisel) doesn't need a high degree of sharpness. It is a scraping tool designed for cleaning out bottoms of mortises. I usually leave it as is off the grinder. Cheers John “P.S. If you do not receive this, of course it must have been miscarried; therefore I beg you to write and let me know.” - Sir Boyle Roche, M.P. |
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265994 | Christopher Dunn <christopherdunn123@g...> | 2018‑06‑08 | Re: Using a lock mortise or swans neck chisel |
Bill and John So it's a scraping tool, not a chopping tool. That's probably why it's cutting edge is nearly perpendicular to the end of the chisel. I'll give it a shot this weekend. Thanks for your help, Chris |
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265998 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2018‑06‑09 | Re: Using a lock mortise or swans neck chisel |
> So it's a scraping tool, not a chopping tool. That's probably why it's cutting edge is nearly perpendicular to the end of the chisel. I wouldn't call it a "scraping tool." There are two forms of lock mortise chisel. The more modern form is like this one. The image shows how to use it. The older form works the same way. but usually has a sharper edge. http://toolmonger.com/2007/12/10/get-bent-buy-a-swan-neck-chisel/ [1] Mine looks like this one. Mine, a James Swan, sharpened to about 25 degrees, and definitely does not scrape, but pares. https://www.oldtools.co.uk/mortice-chisels/4716-clegg-swan-neck-lock- mortice-chisel.html">https://www.oldtools.co.uk/mortice-chisels/4716-clegg-swan- neck-lock-mortice-chisel.html Mike in Woodland Links: ------ [1] http://toolmonger.com/2007/12/10/get-bent-buy-a-swan-neck-chisel/ |
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265999 | Mike Lynd | 2018‑06‑09 | Re: Using a lock mortise or swans neck chisel |
FWIW, my virus checke "Avast" really didn't like that link. best wishes, Mike Lynd |
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266007 | Michael Suwczinsky <nicknaylo@g...> | 2018‑06‑14 | Re: Using a lock mortise or swans neck chisel |
And much like levering out chips with pigsticker Mortising chisels (personal gateway tool into galootish things), leave a bit at each end of your mortise, while your cleaning out that messy, messy bottom. I always leaves good 3/16+ on each end, to push and pull against, and bring it to final ‘ height’after the mortise is deep enough. In use the swan neck I had rocked back and forth in the mortise ( in softwood, practice joints), and would build up a fuzz on the bottom that the pigsticker cut free. Michael- whose woodworking of late is barely measured to the quarter inch. On 9 June 2018 at 10:56, Michael Blair |
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266011 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2018‑06‑14 | Re: Every dog has his day |
Nice. Does the “Red Eye” refer to what happens when you look at the cabinet? Ed Minch |
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266012 | "Adrian Jones" <adrianjones747@c...> | 2018‑06‑15 | Re: Every dog has his day |
Nice. Does the “Red Eye” refer to what happens when you look at the cabinet? Ed Minch Yeah, I would say – I’ve added another photo that shows better. When they started introducing black cast iron machines into the home they had to tart them up for the womenfolk. <https://photos.app.goo.g l/3s76SJGMGX5K6n9d8> h ttps://photos.app.goo.gl/3s76SJGMGX5K6n9d8 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- Nice find on the machine. Look forward to seeing the pictures after you refinish the cabinet. Roy Parker What!!! That hot pink is what sold me! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- If you lived nearby, I have a naked base you could have for free. Well come to think of it, I have a pretty plain top I would toss in on the deal come get em! :) yours scott Thanks Scott! Yeah, I would be coming around for that base if you were nearer – paint stripping is lifting the veneer – not sure if I can save it. Mulling over getting some White Oak veneer from Rocker and giving it a go. |
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266013 | scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> | 2018‑06‑15 | Re: Every dog has his day |
When they started introducing black cast iron machines into the home they had to tart them up for the womenfolk. Singer used very thick fired enamel japanning, same as Stanley and early Ford. Any color you want,........ so long as its black. Hence,.......... decals This is a model 31, portable early electric, with the humpback oak case. I thought these were Flora Dora decals, but a girl corrected me, only now I can't remember the name lol http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/house/singer31.jpg I have restored the plain cabinets like you have (bottom of the line). But originally ordered, it could have been this! And this is only a midline cabinet. They came up to 8 drawers and very fancy carving in polished walnut. (oak was second grade) Singer made more cabinet models than Stanley made block planes http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/house/singertreadle.jpg yours scott -- ******************************* Scott Grandstaff Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 scottg@s... http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/ http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html |
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266014 | "Adrian Jones" <adrianjones747@c...> | 2018‑06‑15 | Re: Every dog has his day |
Scott, Thanks for the photos - impressive woodworking. Here is a link to an amazing film from the 1930's showing the production at Singer's Kilbowie factory in Scotland. It really shows the concept of production lines and economy of scale: http://movingimage.nls.uk/film/1592 Cheers! -----Original Message----- From: OldTools [mailto:oldtools-bounces@s...] On Behalf Of scott grandstaff Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 3:27 PM To: porch Subject: Re: [OldTools] Every dog has his day When they started introducing black cast iron machines into the home they had to tart them up for the womenfolk. Singer used very thick fired enamel japanning, same as Stanley and early Ford. Any color you want,........ so long as its black. Hence,.......... decals This is a model 31, portable early electric, with the humpback oak case. I thought these were Flora Dora decals, but a girl corrected me, only now I can't remember the name lol http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/house/singer31.jpg I have restored the plain cabinets like you have (bottom of the line). But originally ordered, it could have been this! And this is only a midline cabinet. They came up to 8 drawers and very fancy carving in polished walnut. (oak was second grade) Singer made more cabinet models than Stanley made block planes http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/house/singertreadle.jpg yours scott -- ******************************* Scott Grandstaff Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 scottg@s... http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/ http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage, value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools. To change your subscription options: https://oldtools.swingleydev.com/mailman/listinfo/oldtools To read the FAQ: https://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html OldTools archive: https://swingleydev.com/ot/ OldTools@s... |
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