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264717 "Joseph Sullivan" <joe@j...> 2018‑01‑12 Which way does crotch wood move
Friends:

I have a fair amount of walnut crotch wood, cut from a tree on my mother's
land years ago.  There are two forms:  the real exotic flamey kind with
grain in all directions, and the ones cut from near the split that are
partial ellipses.  I am trying to design using both.  SO, does anybody know
how the grain expands and contracts in crotch-wood:

a) the flame kind; 
b) in the ellipses that sort of look like they are flatsawn but with the
grain following the elliptical shape and a lot of reversals and exotic
touches?

Cheers!

J


Joseph Sullivan
264718 <gtgrouch@r...> 2018‑01‑12 Re: Which way does crotch wood move
With crotch wood, you have to examine each piece. But a general rule of thumb is
to cut slabs from the trunk perpendicular to the branch.

YMMV, Gary Katsanis
Albion New York, USA
(waiting for the weather to drop alnost sixty degrees over the next two days)

---- Joseph Sullivan  wrote: 

=============
Friends:

I have a fair amount of walnut crotch wood, cut from a tree on my mother's
land years ago.  There are two forms:  the real exotic flamey kind with
grain in all directions, and the ones cut from near the split that are
partial ellipses.  I am trying to design using both.  SO, does anybody know
how the grain expands and contracts in crotch-wood:

a) the flame kind; 
b) in the ellipses that sort of look like they are flatsawn but with the
grain following the elliptical shape and a lot of reversals and exotic
touches?

Cheers!

J


Joseph Sullivan

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264720 "Joseph Sullivan" <joe@j...> 2018‑01‑12 Re: Which way does crotch wood move
Indeed.  Of course, in this case I already have the cut wood, but that is
how it was cut.  But how does it move?

J

Joseph Sullivan
President
JSA
(972) 463-1125
 
 
 
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With crotch wood, you have to examine each piece. But a general rule of
thumb is to cut slabs from the trunk perpendicular to the branch.

YMMV, Gary Katsanis
Albion New York, USA
(waiting for the weather to drop alnost sixty degrees over the next two
days)

---- Joseph Sullivan  wrote: 

=============
Friends:

I have a fair amount of walnut crotch wood, cut from a tree on my mother's
land years ago.  There are two forms:  the real exotic flamey kind with
grain in all directions, and the ones cut from near the split that are
partial ellipses.  I am trying to design using both.  SO, does anybody know
how the grain expands and contracts in crotch-wood:

a) the flame kind;
b) in the ellipses that sort of look like they are flatsawn but with the
grain following the elliptical shape and a lot of reversals and exotic
touches?

Cheers!

J


Joseph Sullivan

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264721 <gtgrouch@r...> 2018‑01‑12 Re: Which way does crotch wood move
If the grain swirls about a center - the branch collar of the crotch limb - that
center will move in and out. If you still have enough wood to determine which
side was the inside, it will cup away from that, just like flat-sawn wood.
Again, each piece is unique. You might best determine movement by leaving it on
a flat surface after freshly cut.

I've found those sections with burned grain to be fairly stable.

Hope this helps, I don't feel like I'm explaining it very well.

Gary Katsanis
Albion New York, USA


---- Joseph Sullivan  wrote: 

=============
Indeed.  Of course, in this case I already have the cut wood, but that is
how it was cut.  But how does it move?

J

Joseph Sullivan
President
JSA
(972) 463-1125
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
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s...] On Behalf Of
gtgrouch@r...
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:31 PM
To: 'OldTools List' 
Subject: Re: [OldTools] Which way does crotch wood move

With crotch wood, you have to examine each piece. But a general rule of
thumb is to cut slabs from the trunk perpendicular to the branch.

YMMV, Gary Katsanis
Albion New York, USA
(waiting for the weather to drop alnost sixty degrees over the next two
days)

---- Joseph Sullivan  wrote: 

=============
Friends:

I have a fair amount of walnut crotch wood, cut from a tree on my mother's
land years ago.  There are two forms:  the real exotic flamey kind with
grain in all directions, and the ones cut from near the split that are
partial ellipses.  I am trying to design using both.  SO, does anybody know
how the grain expands and contracts in crotch-wood:

a) the flame kind;
b) in the ellipses that sort of look like they are flatsawn but with the
grain following the elliptical shape and a lot of reversals and exotic
touches?

Cheers!

J


Joseph Sullivan

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264726 james rich <jameslrich3@g...> 2018‑01‑13 Re: Which way does crotch wood move
I havnt had the best of luck building with Crotch lumber, I think this is
the reason most of is cut into veneer, Glued to a solid substrate to " Tame
the Beast " . I suggest you send it all to me for proper disposal.​

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Joseph Sullivan 
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264733 Don Schwartz <dks@t...> 2018‑01‑13 Re: Which way does crotch wood move
On 2018-01-12 7:18 PM, james rich wrote:
> I havnt had the best of luck building with Crotch lumber, I think this is
> the reason most of is cut into veneer

More likely it's cut into veneer to make the most of a good thing, and 
maximize profit for the sawyer!

FWIW

Don

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