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263941 | Pier-Rick Lamontagne <foutchibay@g...> | 2017‑11‑14 | Protuberance on chisel (upper ferrule) |
Hi Great Galoots, I received a Narex chisel set last week and been working with since, I found out that I don't like the "bump" over the upper ferrule. Since I use a lot the palm of my hand, the pressure push in a specific place and it tend to hurt after a while. I've read a Paul Seller blog about a cheap chisel set where he removed the ferrule and use the chisel without it. I only have a wooden mallet, no hard iron hammer or even a soft face mallet. What do you think about this process? Would it broke the chisel handle after a while? (I don't want to change the handle too soon). The said chisels : https://imgur.com/a/bWiei The "modified" handle from Paul https://imgur.com/a/bFb5C Rick |
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263942 | curt seeliger <seeligerc@g...> | 2017‑11‑14 | Re: Protuberance on chisel (upper ferrule) |
Good morning Rick, > I received a Narex chisel set last week and been working with since, I > found out that I don't like the "bump" over the upper ferrule. Since I use > a lot the palm of my hand, the pressure push in a specific place and it > tend to hurt after a while. Mr. Sellers isn't the only person who suggests bobbing chisel handles. Frank Klaus (go look him up) also suggests doing so. You won't wreck them, you'll just make them comfortable and improve the ergonomics for whacking them. The Marples that these people use as demonstrations aren't 'cheap' so much as inexpensive, kinda like I've heard about the Narex. People are unlikely to collect these in the future, so modifying them for use won't make anyone cringe. In fact, you might even drill a hang-hole (just not in the blade). |
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263943 | Claudio DeLorenzi <admin@d...> | 2017‑11‑14 | Re: Protuberance on chisel (upper ferrule) |
I've got at least a hundred chisels with no upper ferrule, most of them are old or very old and I use them all the time. Only the heavy timber framing chisels have upper rings. The wood alone is fine on your narex, just never use a metallic hammer to strike them. Cheers, Claudio de Lorenzi On Nov 14, 2017 9:20 AM, "Pier-Rick Lamontagne" |
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263944 | "John M Johnston (jmjhnstn)" <jmjhnstn@m...> | 2017‑11‑14 | Re: Protuberance on chisel (upper ferrule) |
I would also add that Lonnie Bird (look him up) also does so. It's all about making the tool more useful. Cheers, John “P.S. If you do not receive this, of course it must have been miscarried; therefore I beg you to write and let me know.” - Sir Boyle Roche, M.P. On Nov 14, 2017, at 10:51 AM, curt seeliger |
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263946 | John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> | 2017‑11‑14 | Re: Protuberance on chisel (upper ferrule) |
GG's The "upper ferrule" is properly called a "Schlagring" - I believe the late Jim Thompson, who signed himself as "The Old Millrat," introduced this term to the Porch. It's of German origin. Jim used to turn them on a metal-cutting lathe out of pipe. And, yes, they are of greatest use on a heavy-duty chisel. They are frequently seen on Japanese-style framing chisels. After a period of use, the wood fibers get smashed over the edge of the schlagring and further beatings sort of trim the edge. IMHE, the chisel is acceptably easy on the hand after top gets smoothed out by use. John ________________________________ From: OldTools |
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263947 | Claudio DeLorenzi <admin@d...> | 2017‑11‑14 | Re: Protuberance on chisel (upper ferrule) |
Re Schlagring I have an old German dowel plate that has Schlagring stamped onto it. Maybe it means round metal thing also? Just checked on the confusor, and Mr Google says it's slang for knuckle dusters ie brass knuckles, haha. A new use for my dowel plate! Cheers, Claudio de Lorenzi |
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263949 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2017‑11‑14 | Re: Protuberance on chisel (upper ferrule) |
On 2017-11-14 9:32 AM, Claudio DeLorenzi wrote: > Re Schlagring > I have an old German dowel plate that has Schlagring stamped onto it. Maybe > it means round metal thing also? > > Just checked on the confusor, and Mr Google says it's slang for knuckle > dusters ie brass knuckles, haha. A new use for my dowel plate! dictionary.com reveals "Austrian German Schlag, short for Schlagobers whipped cream, equivalent to German Schlag blow (noun corresponding to schlagen to strike..." Apparently it can be used in the context of whipping, striking or hitting. Don -- "You can tell a man that boozes by the company he chooses" The Famous Pig Song, Clarke Van Ness |
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263951 | bridger@b... | 2017‑11‑15 | Re: Protuberance on chisel (upper ferrule) |
I think a literal translation wold be something like slam ring. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claudio DeLorenzi" |
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263969 | Thomas Conroy | 2017‑11‑16 | Re: Protuberance on chisel (upper ferrule) |
John Ruth wrote: "The "upper ferrule" is properly called a "Schlagring" - I believe the late Jim Thompson, who signed himself as "The Old Millrat," introduced this term to the Porch. It's of German origin. "Jim used to turn them on a metal-cutting lathe out of pipe. "And, yes, they are of greatest use on a heavy-duty chisel. They are frequently seen on Japanese-style framing chisels." I think there is something to be said for the term "upper ferrule" for the half- assed imitation of a hoop (the correct English-language term for what Germans call a "schlagring") on these inexpensive chisel handles. A proper hoop is a solid, heavy-duty iron ring shrunk or press-fitted into place, able to withstand long-term battering from a steel hammer. A thickness of 1/8" is not unusual, certainly more than 1/16" for examples that actually do a job. The modern "upper ferrule" is made of thin stamped steel fitted loosely and held in place by a dimpled spot, utterly without function and unable to withstand any degree of impact at all. Better be rid of an upper ferrule right away. And I would save the traditional terms for traditional parts that serve a function. You can bob off the upper ferrule, using a hacksaw to avoid the risk of damage to your wood-cutting saws. However, you can also remove the metal, leaving the wood stub under it (this usually comes down to hacksawing in a steep spiral around the ferrule), then using the stub as the core of a series of leather washers. The leather washers are surprisingly effective for resisting battering on a bench chisel or firmer, though I can see how you might want something more solid for a real heavy-duty housewright's framing chisel. Or you might use the wooden stub as the core for a rawhide turks-head, or even for a genuine hoop. Lots of possibilities. And, of course, eventually you can replace the whole handle; even without a lathe you can make a comfortable single-tapered octagonal handle with a slice of copper pipe as a blade-end ferrule. My first chisel handle was of this type, and it is still in use (on a tuning gouge) after about thirty years. Tom Conroy Berkeley |
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263970 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2017‑11‑16 | Re: Protuberance on chisel (upper ferrule) |
> On Nov 16, 2017, at 2:32 AM, Thomas Conroy via OldTools |
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263974 | <gtgrouch@r...> | 2017‑11‑16 | Re: Protuberance on chisel (upper ferrule) |
I've never purchased a chisel with schlagring where there was not wood protruding past the metal at the strike end. The only chisels with a true metal striking surface are the ones like the Stanley everlast design. I agree that the cheap loose metal bands you see occasionally should be discarded immediately: they're useless. Gary Katsanis Albion New York, USA ---- Thomas Conroy via OldTools |
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263981 | Thomas Conroy | 2017‑11‑16 | Re: Protuberance on chisel (upper ferrule) |
I wrote the misbegotten sentence "My first chisel handle was of this type, and it is still in use (on a tuning gouge) after about thirty years" and Ed Minch asked me "Tom, Is that for use on a piano? Do you hit the tuning chisel with a tuning hammer?" Turning gouge I meant turning gouge. Damn typos. Pass that spitoon. Tom Conroy, grumpy. |
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263986 | "Joseph Sullivan" <joe@j...> | 2017‑11‑17 | Re: Protuberance on chisel (upper ferrule) |
SNIP The "upper ferrule" is properly called a "Schlagring" - I believe the late Jim Thompson, who signed himself as "The Old Millrat," introduced this term to the Porch. It's of German origin. END SNIP Quite right. I once bought a set of German-made firming chisels, and they had schlagrings, and called them that in German. In German, "Schlag" means "blow," as in "strike a blow." So as with many German part names, it is quite literal; it is a ring that protects the ends from mushrooming because of blows from the mallet. As many doubtless remember, Jim T, alias, the Old MIllrat, was fluent in German. Cheers! J Joseph Sullivan |
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