--- vladimir spehar  wrote:
> One question to all. Do all US-galoots work as IT guys or in a
> educational 
> institution?  What's up with that?

Certainly lots of IT guys (and gals, right Pam?). 

I've been in IT for 29 years, 12 of them teaching community
college and university computer science. Speaking for myself,
after twiddling bits by remote control all day, it's nice to
pick up a piece of iron and butcher a piece of wood. Or just
fondle, admire, clean, or restore a real tool. 

The recent plow (plough, Jeff) discussion notwithstanding, the
bugs are usually easier to find too. Also, IT types often think
like (or are) engineers and so have an instinctive apprciation
for tools that work well or at least represent interesting
designs.

Just my $.02

Steve - Kokomo galoot

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings!
http://greetings.yahoo.com

Thought I'd take a quick moment to post a bio in case I come up with
something brilliant to say (not much danger though) soon.

My name is Craig Davis and I am a 29 year old computer/phone tech.  I have
done some rough carpentry work with my Dad but just started doing finer work
over the last year (since I finally got a garage).  I started as many do,
watching Norm and Roy on PBS and cable.  My first aquisitions were all of
the tailed variety but inheriting my great-grandfather's tool chest spurred
me into hand tools.  He was a farmer/carpenter and my grandfather was a
well-known finish carpenter.  Most of the tools in it were relatively
modern, but there were a few old rusty handsaws that I have yet to clean up.

I've since picked up a few hand planes and saws and chisels.  I admit that
time constraints have me still roughing things out with the tablesaw, but
all my finish cuts are now done with hand tools and I'm in the process of
learning dovetails and hand-cut mortises.  I've lurked for only a few days
and I've already learned much so I think I'll be hanging around for quite
some time.

-Craig Davis
Orlando, FL

Vladimir pokes fun at us:

> One question to all. Do all US-galoots work as IT guys or in a
educational
> institution?  What's up with that?  Not that there's anything wrong
with

Is it time for an occupational survey? I nominate Vladimir to do it...

Bretton

Who develops games on the Xbox.
-- 
Bretton Wade (aka Noz Moe King) in Bellevue, WA
http://www.galoot-coop.org/

Well, it's only natural.  Educators and we IT geeks have no real jobs so we
have to do something to feel useful.....

-Craig Davis
Orlando, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: vladimir spehar [mailto:vspehar@h...]
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 5:43 PM
To: craigdavis@c...; oldtools@www3.law.cornell.edu
Subject: Re: new galoot - bio

Welcome Craig!

One question to all. Do all US-galoots work as IT guys or in a educational
institution?  What's up with that?  Not that there's anything wrong with it
(Seinfeld)?

Cheers.

Vlad

>From: "Craig Davis" 
>Reply-To: craigdavis@c...
>To: 
>Subject: new galoot - bio
>Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:51:57 -0500
>
>Thought I'd take a quick moment to post a bio in case I come up with
>something brilliant to say (not much danger though) soon.
>
>My name is Craig Davis and I am a 29 year old computer/phone tech.  I have
>done some rough carpentry work with my Dad but just started doing finer
>work
>over the last year (since I finally got a garage).  I started as many do,
>watching Norm and Roy on PBS and cable.  My first aquisitions were all of
>the tailed variety but inheriting my great-grandfather's tool chest spurred
>me into hand tools.  He was a farmer/carpenter and my grandfather was a
>well-known finish carpenter.  Most of the tools in it were relatively
>modern, but there were a few old rusty handsaws that I have yet to clean
>up.
>
>I've since picked up a few hand planes and saws and chisels.  I admit that
>time constraints have me still roughing things out with the tablesaw, but
>all my finish cuts are now done with hand tools and I'm in the process of
>learning dovetails and hand-cut mortises.  I've lurked for only a few days
>and I've already learned much so I think I'll be hanging around for quite
>some time.
>
>-Craig Davis
>Orlando, FL
>
>--
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
>Private replies: craigdavis@c...
>Public replies:  OLDTOOLS@l...
>To signoff or digest: listserv@l...
>Archive:
>http://www.frontier.iarc.uaf.edu:8080/~cswingle/woodworking/database/
>                      Quote sparingly.
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
>

_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

> One question to all. Do all US-galoots work as IT guys or in a
> educational institution? What's up with that?

Well, I work as a paralegal, but the office technology is my
responsibility as well. The old tool thing and the computer/IT stuff
both started and developed at the same time in my life. Both seem to
drive each other, the more my daily bread depends on the tech, the
greater seems the need to neander as a counterpoint.

Should all the power from the wall socket cease, it's nice to know I
have other skills, rudimentary as they are.

Michael-in San Francisco.

Hi Craig,  welcome to the Porch.

> > One question to all. Do all US-galoots work as IT guys or in a
> educational institution? 

Vlad,  the Porch does boast one illustrious "Rocket Scientist" although
he seems to be lurking these days.
 
> Is it time for an occupational survey? I nominate Vladimir to do it...
> 
> Bretton

Someone did this a few years ago,  I think about 80% of Galoots were "on
company time".

Marvin Paisner
Kootenay Lake,  BC.....off to work going back and forth across Kootenay
Lake (thought IT was a saw)

I'm in IT and education, I second the nomination.

Kerry

At 12:37 PM 2/11/02 -0800, Bretton Wade wrote:
>Vladimir pokes fun at us:
>
>> One question to all. Do all US-galoots work as IT guys or in a
>educational
>> institution?  What's up with that?  Not that there's anything wrong
>with
>
>Is it time for an occupational survey? I nominate Vladimir to do it...
>
>Bretton
>
>Who develops games on the Xbox.
>--
>Bretton Wade (aka Noz Moe King) in Bellevue, WA
>http://www.galoot-coop.org/
>
>--
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
>Private replies: brettonw@m...
>Public replies:  OLDTOOLS@l...
>To signoff or digest: listserv@l...
>Archive:
http://www.frontier.iarc.uaf.edu:8080/~cswingle/woodworking/database/
>                     Quote sparingly.
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
> 

Vlad replies to a new galoot who is a computer/phone tech:

Welcome Craig!

One question to all. Do all US-galoots work as IT guys or in a educational
institution?  What's up with that?  Not that there's anything wrong with 
it
(Seinfeld)?

Not I!

I am a QA engineer on a new Xray product.....  (but I am 
testing software from a user point of view).

Welcome Craig!  Good to see some younger folks.

Esther
oldtools listmom
FAQ: http://www.brendlers.net/oldtools/OTFAQ.htm

RE: "Do all US-galoots work as IT guys or in a educational institution?"
	Nope. But I suspect a lot do.

RE: "What's up with that?"  
	No magic. Galootosity is probably equally distributed amongst the
population. InfoTechnology and educational institutions were/are in the
forefront of acquiring and using new communications technologies. And more
comfortable with them. We're just wired first. Give it a few years. I
suspect all Galoots will eventually have equal opportunity to get wired.

Esther responds to Craig and closes with:
	"Good to see some younger folks."

Hmmmmm. What's the implication here?

	Curt in Monticello, Illinois, grinning. (Who has made several
woodstoves full of curleys in past weeks and has had a few epiphanies, ///
er, _realizations_ of how stupid he had been doing some things.)

Yes, and I think Esther has a technical job of some sort at Kodak 
(really just a guess). Anyhow, I'd suspect we IT types get hooked on 
the possibilities of non-powered woodworking, all trying to figure a 
way to get out of IT. :)

I just know I took to it like a duck; and it certainly is productive 
and relaxing.

Pam

Steve Jones wrote:

> --- vladimir spehar  wrote:
> 
>>One question to all. Do all US-galoots work as IT guys or in a
>>educational 
>>institution?  What's up with that?
>>
> 
> Certainly lots of IT guys (and gals, right Pam?). 
> 
> I've been in IT for 29 years, 12 of them teaching community
> college and university computer science. Speaking for myself,
> after twiddling bits by remote control all day, it's nice to
> pick up a piece of iron and butcher a piece of wood. Or just
> fondle, admire, clean, or restore a real tool. 
> 
> The recent plow (plough, Jeff) discussion notwithstanding, the
> bugs are usually easier to find too. Also, IT types often think
> like (or are) engineers and so have an instinctive apprciation
> for tools that work well or at least represent interesting
> designs.
> 
> Just my $.02
> 
> Steve - Kokomo galoot

-- 
Pamela G. Niedermayer
Pinehill Softworks Inc.
600 W. 28th St., Suite 103
Austin, TX 78705
512-236-1677
http://www.pinehill.com

I don't know, Esther, treading a very thin line here. :)

Pam

esther.heller@k... wrote:

> Vlad replies to a new galoot who is a computer/phone tech:
> 
> Welcome Craig!
> 
> One question to all. Do all US-galoots work as IT guys or in a educational
> institution?  What's up with that?  Not that there's anything wrong with 
> it
> (Seinfeld)?
> 
> 
> 
> Not I!
> 
> I am a QA engineer on a new Xray product.....  (but I am 
> testing software from a user point of view).
> 
> Welcome Craig!  Good to see some younger folks.
> 
> 
> Esther
> oldtools listmom
> FAQ: http://www.brendlers.net/oldtools/OTFAQ.htm

-- 
Pamela G. Niedermayer
Pinehill Softworks Inc.
600 W. 28th St., Suite 103
Austin, TX 78705
512-236-1677
http://www.pinehill.com

Welcome Craig!

One question to all. Do all US-galoots work as IT guys or in a educational 
institution?  What's up with that?  Not that there's anything wrong with it 
(Seinfeld)?

Cheers.

Vlad

>From: "Craig Davis" 
>Reply-To: craigdavis@c...
>To: 
>Subject: new galoot - bio
>Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:51:57 -0500
>
>Thought I'd take a quick moment to post a bio in case I come up with
>something brilliant to say (not much danger though) soon.
>
>My name is Craig Davis and I am a 29 year old computer/phone tech.  I have
>done some rough carpentry work with my Dad but just started doing finer 
>work
>over the last year (since I finally got a garage).  I started as many do,
>watching Norm and Roy on PBS and cable.  My first aquisitions were all of
>the tailed variety but inheriting my great-grandfather's tool chest spurred
>me into hand tools.  He was a farmer/carpenter and my grandfather was a
>well-known finish carpenter.  Most of the tools in it were relatively
>modern, but there were a few old rusty handsaws that I have yet to clean 
>up.
>
>I've since picked up a few hand planes and saws and chisels.  I admit that
>time constraints have me still roughing things out with the tablesaw, but
>all my finish cuts are now done with hand tools and I'm in the process of
>learning dovetails and hand-cut mortises.  I've lurked for only a few days
>and I've already learned much so I think I'll be hanging around for quite
>some time.
>
>-Craig Davis
>Orlando, FL
>
>--
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
>Private replies: craigdavis@c...
>Public replies:  OLDTOOLS@l...
>To signoff or digest: listserv@l...
>Archive: 
>http://www.frontier.iarc.uaf.edu:8080/~cswingle/woodworking/database/
>                      Quote sparingly.
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
>

_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

As do I (I'm an SA/consultant/user babysitter). But since I've been laid
off, I have _much_ more time in the shop, he said, looking on the bright
side. And of course, to generate my own bio, to be posted shortly.

----------------------------------------
      :         Neal Connor
  '.  _  .'     
 -=  (~)  =-    neal@n...
  .'  #  '.     http://www.nealconnor.org 
----------------------------------------
Two peanuts went to New York. One was assaulted.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-oldtools@l...
[mailto:owner-oldtools@l...] On Behalf Of Peter
Williams
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 15:50
To: oldtools@w...
Subject: RE: new galoot - bio

I'm in IT too and indeed I find it pleasant to relax
in the shed after dinner with my tools and wood :-)

Peter Williams            | Tel +61 3 5279 7456
Network support/Webmaster | Fax +61 3 5279 7414
Hendersons Industries     | peter.williams@h...
PO Box 4 Nth Geelong 3215 | http://www.hendersons.com.au/
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldtools@w...
> Subject: Re: new galoot - bio
> 
> 
> --- vladimir spehar  wrote:
> > One question to all. Do all US-galoots work as IT guys or in a 
> > educational institution?  What's up with that?
> 
> Certainly lots of IT guys (and gals, right Pam?).
> 
> I've been in IT for 29 years,

From: "vladimir spehar" 

> Welcome Craig!
>
> One question to all. Do all US-galoots work as IT guys or in a educational
> institution?  What's up with that?  Not that there's anything wrong with
it
> (Seinfeld)?

Welcome to Craig and to Vlad:  I am a cost estimator (main duty) but I
handle the IT at my office.

Roger

I'm in IT too and indeed I find it pleasant to relax
in the shed after dinner with my tools and wood :-)

Peter Williams            | Tel +61 3 5279 7456
Network support/Webmaster | Fax +61 3 5279 7414
Hendersons Industries     | peter.williams@h...
PO Box 4 Nth Geelong 3215 | http://www.hendersons.com.au/
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldtools@w...
> Subject: Re: new galoot - bio
> 
> 
> --- vladimir spehar  wrote:
> > One question to all. Do all US-galoots work as IT guys or in a
> > educational 
> > institution?  What's up with that?
> 
> Certainly lots of IT guys (and gals, right Pam?). 
> 
> I've been in IT for 29 years, 

--- vladimir spehar  wrote:

> One question to all. Do all US-galoots work as IT
> guys or in a educational 
> institution?  

Well, I work at a state university, but in the
maintenance department, doing HVAC maintenance, etc. 
I have been interested in hand tools etc. since I was
old enough to almost cut my finger off with a handsaw
(4 yrs old?), and the Old Tools list got me involved
using a computer, when we were given computer access
at work for email.

=====
Jim Erdman  (in Menomonie, WI)

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings!
http://greetings.yahoo.com

At 17:43 11/02/02, vladimir spehar wrote:
>Welcome Craig!
>
>One question to all. Do all US-galoots work as IT guys or in a
>educational institution? What's up with that? Not that there's anything
>wrong with it (Seinfeld)?
>
>Cheers.
>

Lots of Oz galoots, too. But the answer is simple - between them, IT
guys and educational institutions are sitting on about 95% of the
Internet bandwidth on the planet.

Jaime Metcher (256Kbps permanent connection)

Esther responds to Craig and closes with:
        "Good to see some younger folks."

Hmmmmm. What's the implication here?

        Curt in Monticello, Illinois, grinning. (Who has made several
woodstoves full of curleys in past weeks and has had a few epiphanies, ///
er, _realizations_ of how stupid he had been doing some things.)

Easy, having passed the half century mark last year and 
knowing the age distribution of those who answered a survey
last year was high in the late '30's and heavily skewed to 
older than 40, it is good to see us welcoming younger blood.
Gotta have someone appreciative to pass our treasures to 
at some point.

Esther who gave a 25 year old a brace and several auger 
bits for Christmas.  Rochester NY 

IT = Information Technology

It generally equates to the people who build and maintain computer
networks, servers, gateways, and all the things that make computers in a
company work together. We wouldn't be having this conversation without
their hard work. ;)

Bretton

Who is posting in plain text.

-- 
Bretton Wade (aka Noz Moe King) in Bellevue, WA
http://www.galoot-coop.org/ 

--- Curiousart@a... wrote:
> 
> Bob Nelson says:
> 
> >To show how far behind the curve I am, I can only emulate
> Jeff and ask
> (re IT), "Wuzzat den?"
> 
> She told me last night what IT
> was and I've 
> already forgotten!

Information Technology

> The 
> difference is there's no sharp objects in music.

Art, Art, Art. Too easy. Of COURSE there are sharp objects in
music, just look for a pound sign. ;^)

Steve - Kokomo galoot (hand tools, acoustic guitar)

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings!
http://greetings.yahoo.com

Not all of us are in IT type of stuff;

There are actually at least three of us that are into either training or
doing hazardous materials types of things (i.e., handling all the crude that
no one wants but everyone produces!).

Gary

Dr. Gary L. Yarrow, Director/RSO
Environmental Health and Safety
Shepard Hall 153; Box 2202
South Dakota State University
Brookings, SD  57007
605-688-4264 

Hi Craig & Vlad & All,

Commenting on Craig's bio, Vlad asked, "Do all US-galoots work as IT
guys - - -?" To which, a number of positive responses have been posted.
To show how far behind the curve I am, I can only emulate Jeff and ask
(re IT), "Wuzzat den?"

Best Wishes,
Bob

--part1_129.c64be28.299aa438_boundary
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Bob Nelson says:

>To show how far behind the curve I am, I can only emulate Jeff and ask
(re IT), "Wuzzat den?"

   If you have to ask, the answer to the question is probably no. My 
girlfriend is a techie, and thinks it's pretty funny how out of touch I am 
with the lingo and acronyms. She told me last night what IT was and I've 
already forgotten!

In my field, I guess I could be considered a galoot. I make a living playing 
piano and accordion, mostly playing music that was in vogue anywhere from 
40-100 years before I was born (I'm 30). I also play things that could be 
classified as crazy noise, but I don't get paid as much to do that. I think 
of being a musician and being a galoot as nearly the same thing- both give me 
the satisfaction of developing manual skills and making stuff myself. The 
difference is there's no sharp objects in music.
 
Art Bailey,
Somerville, Ma

--part1_129.c64be28.299aa438_boundary

Independence Tool dovetail saw users.
I'm one too...

Paul Fuss

Bob Nelson wrote:
> 
> Hi Craig & Vlad & All,
> 
> Commenting on Craig's bio, Vlad asked, "Do all US-galoots work as IT
> guys - - -?" To which, a number of positive responses have been posted.
> To show how far behind the curve I am, I can only emulate Jeff and ask
> (re IT), "Wuzzat den?"
> 
> Best Wishes,
> Bob

IT = Information Technology.   It encompasses what used
to be called data processing, software engineering,
computer programming, etc., as well as more modern
applications like web site construction, network work,
and data mining ( fancy phrasing for what's often the
exploitation of commercial databases to figure out who
to annoy with phone calls and junk (e)mail begging your
support for this or that bit of institutional mendacity ).

IT departments tend to measure their success by the only
means that they can measure - the length of their meetings.

See the comic strip, "Dilbert", for details.

Old tools are definitely not required.

At 10:56 AM 2/12/02 -0500, Bob Nelson wrote:

>Commenting on Craig's bio, Vlad asked, "Do all US-galoots work as IT
>guys - - -?" To which, a number of positive responses have been posted.
>To show how far behind the curve I am, I can only emulate Jeff and ask
>(re IT), "Wuzzat den?"

"Vladimir who?", as I turn my head around slowly looking for someone to say 
"me!"

>From: "Bretton Wade" 
>Reply-To: brettonw@m...
>To: 
>Subject: RE: new galoot - bio
>Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:37:11 -0800
>
>Vladimir pokes fun at us:
>
> > One question to all. Do all US-galoots work as IT guys or in a
>educational
> > institution?  What's up with that?  Not that there's anything wrong
>with
>
>Is it time for an occupational survey? I nominate Vladimir to do it...
>
>Bretton
>
>Who develops games on the Xbox.
>--
>Bretton Wade (aka Noz Moe King) in Bellevue, WA
>http://www.galoot-coop.org/
>
>--
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
>Private replies: brettonw@m...
>Public replies:  OLDTOOLS@l...
>To signoff or digest: listserv@l...
>Archive: 
>http://www.frontier.iarc.uaf.edu:8080/~cswingle/woodworking/database/
>                      Quote sparingly.
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
>

_________________________________________________________________
Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

esther.heller@k... wrote:

> Esther who gave a 25 year old a brace and several auger
> bits for Christmas.  Rochester NY

No Lee Valley 1/4" hex adaptor? Shame on you!

	BugBear

Welcome to the Porch, the hot cider is at this end.

WRT where people work - Let's Just Say (tm the MofA) since OldTools are
powered by ATP, etc., etc.

Steve Noe, in Indianapolis
fusilier@m...
"Of course there's a lot of knowledge in universities: the freshmen
bring a little in; the seniors don't take much away,
so knowledge sort of accumulates..."
  -- Anonymous

Nichael Cramer wrote:

>Fellow Rude Mechanicals:
>
>On another list where I hang out, the claim was made
>that among plasterers a mortar board is (or was) known
>as "hawk".
>
>(The point being made was that when Hamlet claims that 
>he "know[s] a hawk from a handsaw", the phrase suddenly 
>sounds lightly less loopy than it usually does.)
>
>Is anyone familar with this usage?
>
That's what I've always called it as have all of the drywallers I've 
ever worked with.

Dan

Jaime Metcher wrote:

>
> It's pretty funny watching IT guys kick back and brag about "old"
> systems they've worked on.
Eight inch floppy disks (late seventies, early eighties) are talked
about like we'd talk about an early Disston. Anybody who's worked on
Sixties vintage stuff is treated like Henry Disston himself, and anyone
who's worked on a valve (vacuum tube) computer might as well be Cesar
Chelor reincarnated.
> Then there's the last PDP-1 (early minicomputer) still running.
*That*, all of thirty-odd years old, is like Colonial Williamsburg and
the Studley chest rolled into one.

The distinction depends on wether one considers elapsed years, or
elapsed proportion of the entire history of the subject to be the
relevant measure.

        BugBear

I've never heard one called a hawk, but I'm picturing in my mind
the way a plasterer holds the board out at the end of his arm, and
it might be thought to bear a bit of resemblance to the way a
falconer holds his bird.  Just a guess, but I can't think of a better
explanation right now...

-- Steve Fravel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nichael Cramer" 

> On another list where I hang out, the claim was made
> that among plasterers a mortar board is (or was) known
> as "hawk".

> Is anyone familar with this usage?